Sad? Chile please. You better get a history book out and find out when these minority-based pageants were created.

WHAT'S SAD is that they had to be created, because BLACKS (and other minorities) COULD NOT ENTER!! THAT'S SAD!

Do not call the minorities SAD that saw the need for an outlet to reward THEIR OWN, call those non-minorities SAD because they KEPT THE DOORS CLOSED TO OTHERS! THAT'S SAD!

:rolleyes:

mmm
 

You are all just looking at this the wrong way. This contest is about the girls and NOT about race.

-Rudey
--mmmm...girls...mmmm.

BOO!
 

STILL, YOUR ANCESTORS LOOKED AT IT THE WRONG WAY, TOO. IT'S STILL THEIR FAULT!

My great, great, great grandmother was a girl, too. But to your great, great, great grandfather, she wasn't a girl, basically a sex object! sHE COULD NOT ENTER YOUR COLLEGE, NOR YOU PAGEANT, NOR YOUR CHURCH...ONLY YOUR KITCHEN TO COOK AND CLEAN AND CROP....

Don't come here with that this is about girls. Again, your ancestors started this crap, therefore, we have made accommodations to adjust and adapt!

It's not lovely is it? OH well...you better have a sit down in some of those nursing homes and get the real deal, that is if the powers that be from that time can remember anything. :rolleyes:

NO EXCUSE! NO EXCUSE! FESS UP AND IT WILL BE OKAY!

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But she was so sexy...could you blame him?

-Rudey
--mmm...sexy...mmm

You know they say....once you go BLACK, you never go BACK!

Really this post was in error. The pageant attempts to provide a mentoring program of professionals for each young lady and as an outlet for scholarships. :confused:

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Who are you trying to get to fess up and what are you trying to get them to fess up about? Your post seems to be a bunch of tightly-packed jibberish, i'm sorry, i didn't see a point? If there was please clarify what and who is fessing up about what?


As for the argument of ancestors, I didn't know that the people of today are to blame for the things that their ancestors did, I will never understand that argument.

There's plenty of rhetoric on both sides of the fence on this one. I really see nothing wrong with someone identifying with their race as a subculture. If you feel you belong in a Miss Black America competition, by God enter the thing!

Equality is one thing... This is another thing entirely. It's a harmless beauty pageant (scholarship program).. At one time it was the only way that people of color could have a program like this and it is still an important part of their community (at least I gather that from this thread) so what's the big deal?

Has a caucasian or any other race girl ever been told that she couldn't enter this pageant? If they have not tried then why are people even debating this thing? A waste of time and emotion if you asked me.

BRAVO!

I agree.

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THAT it's the white man who established his WHITE ONLY tactics, therefore yielding to need of MINORITY-based pageants, etc. Anyone who is in denial of this needs to fess up, if that includes you, then fess up!

It's jibberish to you, but when you have been in the shoes of any minority then, we'll see what you call it. IT'S HISTORY, darling, U.S. HISTORY, call it what you want.

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As for the argument of ancestors, I didn't know that the people of today are to blame for the things that their ancestors did, I will never understand that argument.

Well, now you know...

Just like minority groups (of today) should not be pressed about having a pageant for blacks or any other race.
BTW, I have stayed on the subject. Defending the need for a "black" pageant...

:rolleyes:

Edit: And soror, no your post was not in error. There could possibly be some folks on this side of the tracks who come into contact with young black girls that would qualify for this pageant. You are advertising. I hope it's safe to say that SOME of these people come into contact with AA teenagers in a positive light.
;)

I was really not going to reply to this at all but I must say this.
There are a lot of folks who feel that a BLACK anything is wrong. Why? To me, this pageant is a vehicle for Black Teens who might not have the means to compete in the "everybody" pageant, meaning no race. Not only that but isn't it great that this pageant INSURES that at least one Black teen gets a college scholarship that might not be won in the Miss AMERICA one.

Face it, Blacks have had to create things everywhere. When one door was closed, WE (Blacks) built our own building with our own door and WALKED on in.

Blacks not allowed to attend college, we built HBCUs.
Blacks not allowed in fraternities and sororities, we CREATED our own.
BLACKS not allowed in pageants, we created our own.
Blacks not receiving scholarships, we created our own.

Whenever there is a need, then someone has the vision to create a means to meet that need.

It is not about racism, but it is about advancement and achievement.

You might not understand it or support it, but by GOD don't knock it. If it were not for the visionaries, there might be a BLACK young lady not making it to college each year because the money is not there.

I did not say minorities were sad, I said the concept of a ________-only anything was sad. By sad I didn't mean pathetic, I meant that it's unfortunate because it would be so much better if we could have a pageant that didn't focus on race at all (however unlikely that may be), but rather the quality of the person regardless of race.

Yes, unity is for the most part only a concept and not reality. (That doesn't mean it's not worth it to work towards unity in the hope that someday -- even a very far-off someday -- we will have it or at least be closer to it.) However, the more _____-only things we create, the less likely it'll be that it will become reality. One of you mentioned the fact that these pageants were created because whites wouldn't let the minorities into their beauty pageants. That's great, that's fine that they were created. As I said earlier, I don't think that there is necessarily a problem with a blacks-only beauty pageant. However, as it was pointed out, when the first Miss America pageant was created, non-whites weren't allowed to enter. Now they are, and we've had at least a couple non-white winners of the pageant. And why? Because non-whites fought for and won the right to enter the pageant, etc. If they decide that these kinds of things are no longer worth fighting for because they can create their own pageants, it becomes less and less likely that racism and prejudice will decrease -- people will just rope themselves off into their little categories based on race, religion or what have you, and that will be the end of it.

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I'm not in disagreement of a "black pageant" I'm more in disagreement of your statements on "fessing up" and "THAT it's the white man who established his WHITE ONLY tactics."

Why would one fess up when they had nothing to do with the situation? Yes, everything is history and for the sake of history, I wasn't in the past and the people of today didn't take part in the events of yesterday, like I stated previously.

That being said, I am in support of such pageants, although I dont really like any kind of pageants...lol

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Ummm no...we were talking about how our great grandparents just looked at each other as sexual objects.

-Rudey
--My great grandpah was the biggest stud. Black, white, asian, indian, middle eastern, and latina women all loved him.