Hi Carnation,

Lots of replys from women, but I think you mentioned fraternities as well. I suspect that Delta Tau Delta would like to at least chat with interested groups.

They can reach the Delt Central Office thru the Delt Website at www.delts.org -- or there is also a toll-free number:1-800-DELTSXL.

Thanks,
DeltAlum

Okay, the Delts have been contacted and I want you to know that I felt really dumb saying,"This guy on Greekchat named Delt Alum wants me to tell you that our locals are going national!"

Thanks Carnation,

I hope whomever was on the other end of the phone didn't sound dumb. And I hope they can be helpful.

In the future, you can E-mail me if you want.

DeltAlum

Carnation

In your first post you mentioned that you have room for 3 fraternities and 3 sororities and each would have 50-70 members.

I was wondering if you had contacted any men's groups yet? I am asking becouse I work as a consultant for a men's organization and we currently have a colony in Georgia and an interest group in Tennesse, with a possible expansion effort in Florida next year. I was wondering if you would be intersested in some information about our expansion program?

Carnation

In your first post you mentioned that you have room for 3 fraternities and 3 sororities and each would have 50-70 members.

I was wondering if you had contacted any men's groups yet? I am asking becouse I work as a consultant for a men's organization and we currently have a colony in Georgia and an interest group in Tennesse, with a possible expansion effort in Florida next year. I was wondering if you would be intersested in some information about our expansion program?

Hi, Cinergy--

I believe that someone did talk to them about Theta Chi but I'll ask on Monday. Once the advisors talked to NPC and IFC, they were flooded--possibly because there are no nationals yet and it's essentially a dry campus anyway.

Hey Carnation,

Sounds like you're off to a really good start. Keep us up to date, will you? Great job!

DeltAlum

Email me carnation and let me know the school. Thanks.

sigtau_jake@yahoo.com

carnation E-m me likewise. LXA is always looking to expand and a good local helps. I know as I started a local, I had no intintion of affilliating with LXA. I just did not know that much about them. Since 1967, I have never looked back! I AM a LXA. I can give you an e-m of who to contact at our International.

We are a very strong International with paid represenatives who make visits to the local chapters to check on them. It probably has one of the largest staffs of any Greek Organization.

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Pittsburg State U. (Kansas)

If a local goes national, do they have to pay initiation fees all over again? Is there a pledge or "education" process at all? I don't understand why it would be hard to do this procuedure and chapters could fail. I understand it entails more than just buying tshirts with new letters, but still aside from learning some traditions, what else could there be? Sorry if I sound a bit dumb about this, but I've never even seen any locals.

Rudey,

Yes they need to pay initiation fees, and yes they need to pretty much pledge all over again. Then they also need to prove for a period of time that they can sustain the momentum.

Why would they fail? The chapter is not unified in wanting to go national...reluctance to give up old traditions and adopt new ones...lack of alum support for the change...sticker shock over the usually increased dues...can't maintain momentum after the "movers and shakers" who pushed for national affiliation graduate...I could go on, but I think you get the idea.

And now that I've depressed myself I'm going to go stick my head in the oven! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif

I think the first few years of a new chapter is the most important.

They could fail from internal problems or from playing by different rules. A campus that has been functioning with a local has to make room for a national organization, the playing field is much different.

As for pledging. It is best if you have found a national organization that stands for the same values as the old. You will have new pride, traditions, and not to mention a new name. Which means, bood-bye old... hello new...100%. The groups has to be unified for it to work. National organizations have so much to offer that they could be imbraced with open arms and a welcoming attitude, but sometimes local groups hate the change, it can be very limiting, in the area of regulations, but freeing in the area of oppurtunities.

I know UNC-Pembroke had a new national that went back to the original local...I think that's harsh.

Along those lines in a roundabout way, the SUNY system in New York state made all the Greeks disaffiliate from their nationals somewhere in the mid 50's I think, and a lot of them never switched back after the national ban was lifted. Does anyone on here from the SUNY system know if the schools have ever pushed for groups to regain national affiliation, what with insurance issues and such?

I know that at many SUNY schools there are now a combination of locals and nationals.

Valporaiso University made all their locals go national and for the most part it has worked out, at least for the sororities. The only exception is the group that decided to go with AST. They had tremendous problems from the get-go, AST tried to reorg the chapter and it has since folded completely, losing both a chapter for AST and a local with a longstanding tradition.

I had spoken with a couple national officers from different NPC groups that had made presentations at Valpo. Evidently there was a huge hazing problem and some other risk management issues.

I know that Delta Phi Epsilon is now at many of the SUNY University Centers, including: Albany, Binghamton, Brockport, Cortland, Fredonia, Geneseo, New Paltz, Oneonta, Oswego, and Plattsburgh. Most of the chapters were chartered in the mid to late 1980s, so this would be after that disaffiliation period. Other national groups at SUNY schools include AEPhi, Alpha Phi, AZD, Phi Sigma Sigma, Sigma Kappa and SDT.

Just some info http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif



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