trus, but it just sucks when we are the only fraternity that is singled out...especialy when there are many other fraternities on my campus who are on probation, some for far worse actions.

DRau--

You are so right on your points. One of my sisters is a Greek Advisor here in PA, and she gets so much shit from people. She has to deal with all the same crap you talk about, and she says that people think it is her who is giving them the run around or such, when actually it's people above her. I'm sure your efforts do not go unnoticed if you're a good greek advisor, so kudos to you :)

Yo, what are you talking about? There is a Greek advisor for all the orgs. then there is a personal Greek advisor for orgs. You have to have a personal Greek advisor for you frat or sor. to be an org. on our campus, SFSU. Come on dog, are you new to the Greek life or what? Ask James he knows he is our F.S.C president. I know, I am on the F.S.C board and work for the Office of Student Programs and Leadership Devolpment office, so I work for him every day-but Sat. and Sunday:D. Our Greek advisor for the F.S.C, Fraternity Sorority Council , is hella cool. He tries very hard to get us to get along and work on rep-ing Greeks hard core! He is a honary member of a frat. I asked him once which one it was, he laughed becuase he did not even remember. He laughed, I couldn't believe it, but hey, he stills works hard for our Greek community and it is a damn shame to hear Pi Kapp142 saying he did not know we had a Greek advisor. I am proud to have our Greek advisor! Oh yea, DRau if you want to see the A-Phis on our campus visit our website, and if you visit www.sfsu.edu and go to OSPLd I think they have a pic. of our Greek advisor with the Greeks on campus; in a photo.
-Heath
FKT
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Greek Advisor mini-rant
 

We had an "interesting" Greek Advisor back in my day. (He's since resigned.)

Back when my sorority was a new local, there was a meeting for (I believe) parents of prospective students, focused on the greek system. Many fraternity and sorority presidents, including the president of my sorority, were there. At one point during the talk, the advisor said "There are four sororities at this school." My sorority's president cleared her throat very loudly. The advisor turned to her and said "... oh yeah, and you guys." He did *not* correct himself and say "sorry, five sororities" - he just proceeded with his speech. :mad: That's just one of many examples...

Yep the Greek Adviser was a non Greek Shacking with a SPE our closest rivals in sometimes dirt fights!

I would take the Damn Job for more that I am making now as would be a raise! I would make them toe the lind but be fair as I know what aaallllll of the Greeks doo for the scholl besides do dumb assed things that make us all look bad!

There have been some words trust me between me and my guys!

Like get it together or I will tell International to close the Chapter down! I can get real serious at times!

I agree! :)

It's too bad to hear all of the horror stories about bad Greek advisors, because we have the best! She is an AOPi alum and has done so much for our greek system in her 7-8 years at Montana State. Too bad that she is retiring in december and we'll have to find somebody to replace her. I only hope that it is one person that fills the job and not some ramshackle coalition but together but the university administration.

Our Greek Advisor is a Delta Sigma Theta. She has done wonders to bring the black and white Fraternities and sororities together, and she really tries hard to keep our system going....But she hates my fraternity because we dont like to be told what to do, and we have got in many arguements due to her lack of knowledge concerning the traditionally white orgs at our school. It also seems like rules only apply to our Fraternity sometimes. But overall she aint bad, and her boss the dean of student life loves us, and is awesome at mediating problems. We love Dean Daniels....

PS. After we own 2/3 of the awards at our schools greek banquet, we went over to a table and put all our Awards on it and all of us officers posed with it. It was a very proud moment for us and we had worked hard all year to get those awards. The greek advisor came over looked at us taking pictures with all the awards and told us we where stupid.......That I will never get over.....It was plain uncalled for, and inapropiate.....

How does some one become a greek advisor? I cant imagine there's any particular major one would need, but what qualifications to yall's advisors have?
on a side note-I had a dream a few weeks ago that I changed my major to "greek advising". Not that we offer that here, or anything. :D
Heidi

Heidi -
At most schools, the Greek Advisor/Director is a position in Student Affairs. Depending on the size of the campus and the needs of the Greek Community, this position may or may not be combined with another position. There are levels of administrators, and I believe this is a level II or III, which at most Universitys requires a Masters Degree in either Higher Education/U. Admin/Counseling or something of the sort. Many programs will also require you to be doing some sort of internship or on-site work while you are persuing your degree. I am currently a grad. student in Higher Ed. at San Jose State U., and I'm interning as a Greek Affairs Coordinator (I don't get to be the 'Director' yet) at a school with a fairly small/newer Greek System.

Hope that helps!
:cool:

Heidi -
At most schools, the Greek Advisor/Director is a position in Student Affairs. Depending on the size of the campus and the needs of the Greek Community, this position may or may not be combined with another position. There are levels of administrators, and I believe this is a level II or III, which at most Universitys requires a Masters Degree in either Higher Education/U. Admin/Counseling or something of the sort. Many programs will also require you to be doing some sort of internship or on-site work while you are persuing your degree. I am currently a grad. student in Higher Ed. at San Jose State U., and I'm interning as a Greek Affairs Coordinator (I don't get to be the 'Director' yet) at a school with a fairly small/newer Greek System.

My undergrad. major was Communication, but I don't really think it matters...

Hope that helps!
:cool:

Most Greek Advisors have traveled for thier group as a traveling consultant (not all but many), followed by 2 years of grad school in a Higher Education Adminstration or Counseling program. While in grad school he/she will also work 20 hours a week in the greek life office on that campus, working under the supervision of a full time GA.

Then, they go on to work full time in greek affairs.

prophet,

i think i know who you are talking about but i think what my bro was trying to say was that we dont have someone that is just a greek advisor and nothing else, if he is that then i guess i'm an idiot. I know that we have a personal one for our org but i dont think he is very good. Oh well. I'm curious to know about all the things he has done for us greeks, let me know.
Also we should get a Phi Tau/ Pi Kapp b-ball game going, i dont play softball, let me know we should have it every semester, of course we all know who is going to win.....

hit me back!

Yo, Prophet
 

I am not knocking the gentleman that has worked so hard for us Greeks at SFSU, I am just bemoaning the fact that he is not a full time Greek Advisor or the fact there is not a Greek Affairs/Life office. I think that guy is great and relly wants to see us succeed as a community, I just wish that he was soley in charge of us Greeks.

The difficulty with advisors is that there usually doesn't exist a hard and fast criteria to judge their performance.

Plus their job descriptions are generally vague and not behavior directed.

This makes it hard to prove they are good or bad. Usually people work off impressions, so there can be wide ranging feelings for the same advisor. Plus people develop personal relationships with the advisor that can color their perceptions. Don't we usually defend our friends and give them the benefit of the doubt?

We should also start by saying that Greek Advisors are human with all the whims and foibles of basic humanity. Meaning there are people that are just better than others, more knowledable, have superior perspective and/or better meaning.

So when dealing with the Greek System the advisor is likely to be very concerned with individual Greeks he/she likes or dislikes, and then more or less concerned with the health of the system itself depending upon their inclination.

That being said it should be realized that at the core of any system that truly promotes Greek Life is an empire building Greek Advisor or other really pro-Greek administrator.

Although sometimes it was an older one that set the system up and the newer ones that are running it.

And the core of any passive or destructive system is likewise the Greek Advisor.

Greek advisors are the ones that set up the structure and training of the various intergreek councils. Inferior training and structure means an inferior council that is easily manipulated.

Further the Greek Advisor wields an imense influence over Officers and Greeks that deal with him/her through personal influence, and a lot of people will respond to that influence. So if the advice is good or knowledgable it helps, bad or inferior and it hurts.


The Greek Advisor provides a lot of the leadership resources from which Greek Officers draw. If he/she has a lot of good knowledge and an effective system to dissemintate and teach that knowledge widely it is good, if not its bad.

Another thing the Greek advisor that wants to be effective should do, is make sure that the campus Greeks know what other campus systems are like. That way the Greeks can compare their performance to others and learn what others are doing correctly.

It also allows the Greek advisor to look at the systems that other Greek Advisors have set up or run to promote Greek Life on their campuses . . . That way they can compare their own effectiveness. . . .

Edited for spelling