I'm a brother of Kappa Delta Phi national fraternity.

we are a NIC Greek org and has been in existence since 1900.
we have a National Affiliate Sorority. they were KDP nas. we share many of the same values and traditions. However their always have the NAS in their letters. they NEVER just wear KDPhi as their letters.

it is more then a little disturbing to see another Greek org using our letters. and by that i make reference to alpha KDPhi.

if they knew that there was already a KDPhi out there why use our letters and work around it with just using a smaller case a?which they seem to not use half the time.

if a new org wants to be called TKE or ZBT and learn that those letters are already in use, what's next? lower case bTKE?
or xZBT? any way you get the idea.

i find it more disturbing that they often do not wear or display the lower case a on their shirts and websites often just calling themselves KDPhi, in essence, stealing my over 100 year old letters.

if someone out there wanted to name themselves Kappa Zeta Phi, i wouldn't care. and why? cause it's a Zeta and not a Delta that can easily and readily dropped from their letters. even if KZphi wanted to to drop the Z they would be KPhi.

alpha Kappa delta Phi appears to have no problem in dropping their alpha in a great deal of their web literature and pictures.

in any case. I hold no ill will toward the sisters of alpha Kappa Delta Phi and wish them well. I just wish they had not used our over 100 year old letters. Hopefully there will be no beta Kappa Delta phis or gamma Kappa delta phis in the near future to further complicate the issue.

Your regional fraternity has so few chapters, that it is unlikely that a west coast sorority (where they were founded) would be aware of you.

Also, many GLOs share some of the same letters. Pi Kappa Alpha was founded after Kappa Alpha, and there are two different Kappa Alpha fraternities. Alpha Delta Gamma was founded after Delta Gamma. There are many similar examples. Unless you copywrited your letters, you have no grievance.

Exactly, and THANKS.

The letters clearly have meaning to both groups. Grow up and get over it.

So if you don't have 50 or more chapters, it's OK for everyone and their brother to use your letters? They aren't a regional fraternity. They're national. True regionals cannot be in the NIC. Even before the internet, it's not hard to find a Baird's and look at the list of NPC or IFC affiliates.

And as far as PiKA & KA...that is NOT the same thing. They added an UPPERCASE letter, and I've never heard of PiKAs calling themselves "KA" or ADGs calling themselves just DG.

I totally understand where Kappa Crow is coming from.

But Russell, AGD's don't walk around with Delta Gamma on their chests. I'd be pretty upset if Phi Mu Alpha left out the Alpha and walked around with Phi Mu.

Doesn't anyone remember why we are not allowed to say Rho Chis anymore for recruitment counselor? If you're a panhel sorority girl who's been in for over a year, you should know. Unless you never called it Rho Chi.

Senusret I get what you're saying. I know that Alpha Phi Alpha holds everything of their fraternity sacred, even "calls". So how would you feel if an organization a lot younger than you popped up with Alpha Phi Alpha? You might feel the same way.

But aKDPhi's founders made their letters so that way, so there is prolly no turning back. If it is such a problem, then KDPhi and KDPhi nas's Nationals should ask aKDPhi to make sure to add that "a" on their stuff.

Life isnt' fair. Panhels across the inter/nation had to change their recruitment manuals to exclude the term Rho Chi. It happens.

ETA: I'm thinking of starting a sorority. I want it to be like Sigma Kappa, but not. I want to use all of their stuff, but it won't be Sigma Kappa. I'll call it Sigma Kappa Epsilon Pi.

If KDF is not a registered trademark, then they have no legitimate grievance.

If it is a registered trademark, then the must sue aKDF to cease and desist. If they do not, then KDF will eventually become public domain, and again, they will have no legitimate grievance.

No one would have any issue about this if the sorority used an upper case A. and the actually called themselves Alpha Kappa Delta Phi. Perhaps they should to avoid any trouble?

national fraternity and NIC member.

amen.

Kappa Delta Phi has only chartered in New England, New York and Pennsylvania. That is not national in scope, and more to my point, helps to explain why a California sorority would not be aware of your organization in 1990.

lol I understand, you're not an NPC sorority, nor are you a sorority at all, you're a club with greek letters.....

Whatever. Yeah it's a bitch...like getting a tiny scuff on your shoes. But at the end of the day you know you can't do anything about it and when you tell people that it's frustrating, it makes you look like a complainer. Seriously it does.

It's a lose-lose situation. Just make fun of each other behind each other's backs so that way people will think you've got confidence.

-Rudey
--Awesome

But they are still a member of the NIC. It's called "pick up a Baird's manual and read it." I could see if it had been started in 1890, but 1990? Sorry, NO.

I think you would be pretty annoyed if there was a local at Grove City calling themselves beta Phi Kappa Psi and leaving the Beta off half the time.

You actually expect someone who has never been in a GLO to even know what Baird's is? Sorry, NO.

I expected that college-educated people knew how to do research on subjects they are interested in and acquire relevant research tools to use. Sorry, my mistake.

ETA that even if you don't know specifically what "Baird's Manual" is, the thought should cross your mind that somewhere there might be a large book or online reference showing names of Greek organizations that have already been used.