[QUOTE]Originally posted by dzrose93
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Cloud9, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it is my understanding that there is no Panhellenic Council at NYU. In fact, the majority of sororities on campus are local organizations, which means that they do not have to follow the same set of rules about hazing that National organizations do. Because they aren't governed by National Headquarters, they are able to "get away" (for lack of a better term) with things that NPC sororities cannot, and that is probably why the hazing has continued. An NPC sorority would have been severely reprimanded by their HQ if hazing was going on and had been brought to the school or the GLO's attention.

That's true, we are not panhell as of now because the only national sorority that exists is DPhiE, HOWEVER, as you may or may not know, another sorority, Gamma Delta, is becoming AST, which is national, and would therefore require a panhell council. The problem in this is that the nature of college life in the city, especially at NYU which has no campus, attracts a student body in which the majority is very independent and usually uninterested in greek life. As a result, the sororities and fraternities that exist have a relatively small number of actives, the highest being around 30 and the lowest something like 11. This isn't necessarily bad, because it creates a more intimate connection among members, although 11 is kinda pushing it if you want to survive as an organization. I don't even know that much about how the council works, but I believe there are alot more regulations put on rush such as the length of events, and how many rushees must attend. Again, life at NYU is unique to most colleges in that there is not much of an effort to unite the students---they all have very involved and varied schedules, plus the lack of a campus, real houses for greek organizations(we have dorm accomodations for some, but many don't have any place to hold meetings or events easily), and other factors that would make it difficult for potential members to follow the quidelines of rush. IF they even wanted to do so, people are more casual here and rush although exciting to freshmen, does not take precedence. But you're right, it probably would help to solve other problems, if the greek system here could handle the new regulations.

I don't know all the rules about Local Sororities and what they can and cannot get away with. My cousin-in-law and cousin were both in local sororities and fraternities and I remember them talking about hazing (nothing terrible, however enough that if my chapter did it we'd be in trouble for).
At any rate, it's unfortunate that these groups haze, but if they lose members because of their actions then in all reality they deserve it. Furthermore they deserve to be shut down if they don't care to follow most NORMAL panhellenic-type rules (ie. hazing). I cannot recommend what your University needs to do to improve relations, but in all honesty if it's going that badly then perhaps a lot of different National groups should be brought in (in place of the locals).
Hootie

This is from another Thread called "NYU Article" - sounds like there are some positive improvements coming NYU's way ////


http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=15330

Article - http://www.nyunews.com/getstory.php?id=20002552

First... Can we please seriously stop attacking people on here who's post may not always be positive?? Its really starting to get annoying. It seems over the past couple of months the attacks have grown and not just for negative post but making simple mistakes in not getting a national groups policies right, saying the wrong word, posting the wrong way. People make mistakes and sometimes you just can't sweep issues under the rug just b/c some people dont want to think or hear about it (I know Ive wanted some issue to go away, but thats wrong of me). Sheesh.
I think this was a good thing to post. Yes, the subject of hazing has been brought up constantly, but being Greek what do you expect. Its not going to go away unless the system does. The only way to make ppl understand something,or bring solutions to a problem is to talk about the negative. And sometimes you're just going to have to keep drilling it into ppls heads.
The reasons for hazing are obvious. For some orgs. being hazed is like sharing a more intimate brotherhood/sisterhood. I went through, the people befor me and after have. Its a bonding thing.The term "I feel your pain" goes nicely here. Then I know for some its an insecurity thing. To me groups that haze are one that have many people who feel left out and like they dont belong (especially if you'll let someone do some of the things ive heard about to you). Usually with the belonging comes a sense of superiority also. Now these people have "power" and can walk all over people just like they feel people walked all over them. Plain and simeple hazing is to me 99% stupid, with the 1% of me seeing the logic (somewhat) behind the intimate bond reason.
For some who said well why dont you complain to your school about its that big of a problem. Ok, how many of YOU have went and done that? I am 100% positive that pretty much every greek whether its within their chapter or another on their campus have heard either allegations of hazing or know hard core facts that its going on. Has anyone told? Or do we just look the other way and say hey not my chapter, not my problem? Im gonna be honest, and admitt I just say not my problem as Im aure a good majority of us do. If that wasnt the case then we wouldnt have that whole thread about hazing stories on your campus. I could report a chapter now ("friend" was dumb enough to tell us about it. Hi, defeats purpose dipSh!t).
Finally, I dont think its easier for locals to get away with hazing per se, but a better way to say is that the punishment would be more harsh for an National org. I have heard from plenty of member of NPC's, NIC's and NPHC's who's chapters haze and the schools know, but somehow it slips by thier headquarters. I know of some locals that do have governing bodies and I think it would be nice if someone in a local here could imform us of how, if any, their governing bodies work? Who they have to report to. Educate us Nationals for once :)
If this sounded like a bitch...well it was meant too cuz Ive officially become annoyed with these attacks. So there! :p :D

...gets off his high horse...

alright...
yeah you're right, we have been too harsh on new posters. I made the first negative comment, i'll be the first to apologize. I didn't think this user was legitimate after reading over the first post. We can't always tell context on a computer screen. At times, the only thing we can go by is diction to deduce how serious this person really is...

I happen to know at least 2 groups, both sororities that definitely haze, doing line ups, bullying, sending pledges on scavenger hunts, taking them on "trips" where they would be forced to remain in a secluded area for a certain amount of time, forcing pledges to provide sisters with candy, condoms, and many other items at any time during the day, making pledges clean their house, and basically doing everything to intimidate and humiliate girls that they would then turn around and call "sisters"....yeah right, more like stepsisters

...i read this and my first take on it reminded me of a certain missus that tried to elicit harm on a particular group she had a vendetta for. With some of the other loonies buzzing around it makes it difficult for us to protect the integrity of GC without stepping on a few toes.

In summary, i'm sorry if you found my reply "crock of shit reply" inappropriate. That's what was playing in my mind when this thread came up. ...anyways i gotta bounce, welcome to gc cloud9.

This is somewhat OT, but I don't see how scavenger hunts are hazing. If they are, then I was hazed by the Camp Fire Girls! :p

I don't have a problem with people bringing difficult issues to the boards. In fact, I enjoy hearing people's opinions! The problem with this hazing thread is that it really does NOT happpen at most colleges/universities! It just isn't tolerated! Why on EARTH would so many people go greek if they had to endure humiliating, painful, and pointless practices?? The answer is, they wouldn't.

I'm sorry if you felt attacked, Cloud9, but I doubt that was anyone's intent. For myself personally, I read your initial post and felt that it was making some hasty generalizations in a hostile manner, but maybe you really are genuinely concerned. Furthermore, it is unfortunate, but there have been quite a few instances recently where people with 2 -3 posts have come on, (usually it's the same few people) and post their trash and then leave, create a new username, come back, post trash again, etc. Some of these *individuals* basically talk trash and pull things out of their ass, so it's hard not to be skeptical. :) If you stick around, trust me....you'll know what I mean. ;)

I'm not saying Hazing has never happened, but I find that this issue is often blown way out of proportion and I, for one, refuse to believe that a few bad apples (or vengeful individuals who are "Sour grapes" about not making the cut) could taint the image of the Greek System everywhere. It TRULY matters to me what potential/future Greeks think when they come to Greekchat, and I would hate for someone not to rush because they think everyone at ABC University or everyone in DEF sorority will haze them. It's also VERY important to note that "hazing" is in NO way a uniquely Greek thing - however it's so often attached by people who have no clue about the Greek system. I'm truly sorry if it really is a problem at your school. As DZRose said, there is a *huge* difference between local sororities and NPC sororities. Cloud9, regardless of whether this local is affiliating or not, it's probably safe to say that until now they have not been held accountable to anything NPC, right??? I guarantee you, if they actually affiliate, there will be NONE of that crap going on. In the meantime, I would go speak with the Greek Advisor/Student activities advisor at NYU and explain what is happening, being very specific about who it is, and what you have heard. It's also right for you to express concern about this being held against the Greek population as a whole, and I personally can't imagine why any school official would want something like this to get out and damage NYU's reputation - I'll do some more thinking and try to PM you with ideas.
Good luck!

What we as Members of Greek Organizations have different ideas of HAZING, it is the outside public that make the final decision!

If something happens to a new member it is big time news and usually ends up with a Chapter being sanctioned or suspended! See all of the past threads and make your own judgement!

As far as diction, lets not even go there as you have seen some of my posts!:D

In my Chapter, I am known as the TYPO KING!:p My Brain works a heck of a lot faster than my poor tired fingers do!:)

Yep this is a Greek Forum and not all of the new people know that you can go back through the many posts to find something!

I do not and will not dig through a myrid of data paper work to find some some small thread! If I need to know something, I ASK NOW!

REMEMBER SELF IMPORTANTANCE IS UNDER WHELMING!

Please place that in the pipe of peice and puff on it!

Has anyone looked at the number of threads posted or the number of members who are on this most outstanding WEB SITE!

We are getting to the poing that we could have a pretty good International Organization right here!

:D :D :cool:

I'm sorry if you felt attacked, Cloud9, but I doubt that was anyone's intent. For myself personally, I read your initial post and felt that it was making some hasty generalizations in a hostile manner, but maybe you really are genuinely concerned. Furthermore, it is unfortunate, but there have been quite a few instances recently where people with 2 -3 posts have come on, (usually it's the same few people) and post their trash and then leave, create a new username, come back, post trash again, etc. Some of these *individuals* basically talk trash and pull things out of their ass, so it's hard not to be skeptical. :) If you stick around, trust me....you'll know what I mean. ;)



I'm definitely not out to trash the Greek system....if that were true I woudln't be a part of it now! Let me be clear that I am talking about individual groups---the one that I joined did not haze AT ALL and although Ican't know every organization's procedures I am sure that there are other groups here that don't haze as well. The problem is that as you all must know, all you need is one bad group to make everyone else look bad. I think that maybe the fact that we're mostly local may contribute to making hazing easier...also because we are not a very unified student body there are higher numbers of students who have difficulty making close friends, thereby becoming socially insecure on campus and targets that would be more likely ot put up with hazing. I have thought about reporting this particular group, but the problem is that I'm not really sure who I would go to. In addition, because there are other groups that support hazing(underground of course), AND because I was a freshman when I witnessed everything it might be difficult at this point to prove anything, and afterwards could create animosity between groups if they found out about it. I dunno, it's a mess! I'm really starting to think that the whole national thing looks like the best solution. But can they really tell if that sort of activity is going on, or is it easy for sororities or fraternities to just sweep things under the rug? BTW, i'm glad that I finally got some positive responses because it actually was making ME more suspicious that maybe it was a more prevalent issue than I thought when I recieved all those vehement denials. Trust me, I love greek life!!! I just want to make sure that it isn't ruined at my school by those who abuse its ideals.:D

Cloud9, sounds like you're talking about MY sorority. everyone responding should SHUT THE FUCK UP because I have just experienced a pledging process first hand, and Cloud9 sounds right on about everything. scavenger hunts, bullying, line-ups, being dropped off in a secluded area for a certain amount of time (with bushes 10 feet high EVERYWHERE) and theres MORE. so people, don't even talk about things that you dont know at ALL about. and i can't wait to become inactive.

Neither can we.

Yet another thread resurrection.:rolleyes:

I bet she's not talking about your sorority. This was an NYU local in freakin' 2002! And I really can't think of any secluded areas with 10 foot hedges everywhere in NYC.

What organization is this?

What's with all of these ancient threads lately?

Have you heard the Beta Sigma Fraternity/Brotherhood of Scholars?

Gosh, they almost kill their neophytes. They will slap your face, and kick you in the ass, worst of all they are using paddle to test your loyalty and your dedication.