Well, there is always two sides to every story. It does bother me that it seems like Greeks are always measured against the norm. Why should our stats be the exact same as the schools, who said we had to have a certian amount of anything to be good groups.

We take the best members we can, we do not base our membership selection on figures and stats, that is what I would deem as impersonal. As a selective group we have the power to take who we wish, just like other groups, but since we are a large target we get the most fired at us and the system.

To each their own.

Thank Goodness I went to a (2) State Schools! 1 kicked out of and 1 Graduated from! I was a name, not a number!

I had a much different situation as was kicked out of a Fraternity and started my own to later affiliate with LXA!

I feel privileged to belong to a Greek Organization as I learned more there than I did at school!

All Organizations are not for everyone. I was very upset when I found I had a Black Brother, that is until I met hem and found out what a great person he is! I am Proud to call him my Brother along with other non-white Brothers!

I worked to pay way my way to school, ever sling a mop and run a waxing machine? Hang on as it will kick you butt! This was in the dorm so I got a lot of Sh^*! from the guys in the dorm!

Peel the skin off, and we all are pink inside and Bleed Red, well except maybe at Dartmouthy!:) Moronic Asswhole, semi-blue nosed snobs!:cool:

Hey Tom....

Why did it make you upset to find out that you had a black brother?

Why doesn't the author harass or belittle the many WOMEN'S magazines that allow potraits of waif women to seep into society so those who don't fit THAT MOLD feel more inadiquate!?
There are plenty other things that harm the mentality of women and oppress us...NOT JUST SORORITIES!
Furthermore, did she ever take a look at what good things would not be accomplished without the aide of sorority philanthropic work? How many millions of dollars wouldn't be donated to cancer research if the ZETAS didn't hold their fundraisers? How many hundreds of kids wouldn't be encouraged to read without Chi Omegas offering books and reading time to them? How many thousands of dollars wouldn't go to alziemers (sp?) research without the help of Sigma Kappa?
But we are so damn self centered I suppose we deserve that sort of BS! :mad:

Hootie

Life,
Please explain what polotics has to do with this?

I believe you just tend to hear far more anti-greek / anti-establishment rhetoric from the far left, than on the right.

Her entire column was about her belief that greeks are exclusionary and that we are not sensitive to issues of class. An argument often heard from the far left.

I am a politics major, and I have learned that everything has politics to do with it, intended or unintended.

Just my opinion.

BTW, I tend to lean a little of the left of the spectrum.

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ARRRRGH. stupid people make me tired. tired tired tired.

If this silly bimbo would do some research about her OWN school, she would see that the main reason women go bidless is the fault of Dartmouth's administration. They have refused to allow another sorority to form - ANY sorority, be it NPC, NPHC, service, local, anything. The women have asked for it and have the numbers for it, but the school prevents it (thus making the sororities look like they are the bad guys). Plus, the school imposes a membership cap. There are only 6 sororities and with the popularity of Greeks at Dartmouth, they could easily support two more.

From what I've read, this is a panhel that busts their ass to try and place everyone who signs a bid. That is definitely not the case everywhere, as we've seen.

As Casey Stengel or one of those other old baseball dudes said "you could look it up." So I did.

http://www.thedartmouth.com/article....d=199905070101

The last couple paragraphs in this next article hit the nail right on the head.

http://www.thedartmouth.com/article....d=199305180201

I'm confused. I thought Dartmouth was closing down the non-coed Greeks. So they're still rushing?

OK, I'm replying to my own question, which I guess makes me a big dork ;), but apparently Dartmouth's plan to end single-sex groups was abandoned. They're definitely still having rush. http://www.thedartmouth.com/article....d=200201040103

But seriously, the last time I had heard anything was in 1999 when the Trustees announced the plan to eliminate single-sex groups, and I had not heard that plan was reversed. Was it just not as big news?

Fuzziealum,

Their student life initiative got a massive amount of bad press and hostility from alums, including a lot of alums cutting off donations. So instead of yanking it all at once they are doing little things like taking the taps out of the houses, being more strict etc etc.

If you go to http://dartreview.com and click on Greeks it outlines it pretty well.

If they elimenated single sex groups, for example GLOs, they would have to get rid of all single sex groups? Hmm...I wonder how the gay student union might feel about that. They're a same sex group!! Or why stop there, since sex is only one issue that makes people different from each other. No more Campous Crusade because you have to be Christian to join. Or no more school play, because the only people in those are actors!!!!

See...You need your token liberal. ;)

Thanks, 33. I actually had stumbled across the Review site but just kept going b/c I couldn't tell when everything was from. I'll give it another look.

I am not defending anti-Greeks in any way ... but it seems to me that Greeks are easier to say are "discriminatory" because they have exact membership lists. Most campus groups have hard core members, more apathetic members, and that guy who showed up once. So who is a member and who isn't? And I bet the campus GLBA group would say, hey we welcome straight people, and the Christian groups we say, hey Buddhists are welcome to come to our meetings - whether or not in reality a Buddhist ever would! Greeks are just more up front and clear but about who their members are, and so that makes them stand out as targets for those who want to take on "elitism." Of course honor societies have firm members and non-members, but it's hard for a university, whose purpose is education, to say academic selectivity is a bad thing.

Personally, I think that students should be able form whatever kind of groups they want. If someone wants to start a group only for Asian men over 6 feet tall who play the kettle drum, or for white girls who plan to be trophy wives, let them. That doesn't mean I'll join, of course, or even that I would approve of their ideas. But, as everyone likes to say, it IS a free country.

When can I joined this club? And can I play the congo instead of the kettle?

Ok, well I dont go to Dartmouth, and I'm not in a Sorority go figure. But I figured I would put in my two cents worth. Ok as bad as that may feel to be in your terms "rejected" if she couldnt handle that rejection why did she rush. If shes at Dartmouth chances are shes a smart girl, she knew there was a possibility she wouldnt get a bid. 2nd, I just want to say its very rude to bitch at the girls on this website just because they are greek. They cant help what happened, and by you coming on here the way you did you certainly arent helping. Maybe what happened wasnt fair, but alot of things in life arent, one of them being the girls on this site being bashed by you. I would hope that in the future you could find more mature ways to get your point across....

I don't want their support. Dartreview sucks.