![]() |
I share Tom Earp's concerns regarding government intrusion into privacy issues. I also share the concerns of those who are a bit offended by some of the comments made among the membership in social media exchanges. I am also troubled by the thoughts that state law prohibits this sort of discrimination and that should decide the issue.
Seems to me that this is a freedom of association issue which was decided by the US Supreme Court a few years back in the City of New Orleans v. Certain Carnival Organizations where the court slam dunked the city in its attempt to force open the membership of Carnival Organizations which were seen to be discriminating in their membership selection. The Court ruled that freedom of association was a constitutional issue and its ruling trumped all inferior courts' rulings, state laws, and city ordinances. In short, one has the right to choose who one wants to hang with. From my point of view if a guy rushes, the chapter likes him, and he is a good fit then what is the problem? Likewise, if he is not liked and is not seen as a good fit then again, what is the problem? Bid him or don't bid him. It is the chapters business and it is private family business. |
Quote:
That sounds like a trade association. I also imagine the sort of discrimination wasn't racial/sexual/gender/national origin/religion, etc. The offending group in this case wouldn't be in trouble at all except here's one of the rare cases where sexual orientation discrimination can actually be proved. |
Quote:
Morgan is a university, which is allowed to have rules governing all of their student organizations. It is also public. |
Quote:
Quote:
Oh, and it does seem to be pretty obvious, not to mention pretty well documented, that some of the krewes were "seen to be discriminating in their membership selection" because they were discriminating in the membership selection. |
I'll try to dig up the appropriate citations.
The Carnival Krewes were the "secret" organizations within the old guard white private clubs like the Pickwick Club, the Boston Club, Louisiana Club, Bienville Club, etc. They were highly selective with waiting lists of 12 years and longer. They were not commercial organizations and according to my Dad one could not even discuss business at the clubs. They were really 19th Century social clubs like the ones I knew in London. Since they paid for all expenses out of their own pockets I gather they really resented the city trying to force their membership. I have to check on this but I seem to remember that 2 or 3 of the more prominent Black Krewes joined in the suit contesting the city ordinance saying that their membership rules were very stringent and just as old as the 'White' krewes and nobody was going to tell them who they had to admit to membership. Perhaps someone can help me with this but I think it was the Zulu SA&P Club, the Illinois Club, and the Autocrat Club. Anyway, I'll do some more research. |
I just searched on Lexis and couldn't find anything.
|
I did a Westlaw(Next) search for U.S. Supreme Court only, 'freedom of association carnival organizations.' Got nothing.
I do have an account with my firm, so if anyone can give me some text which would be found in the opinion, I can probably find it. |
I feel like I've just walked into: The Paper Chase.
Good hunting, gentlemen. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
I think I found a more on-point case anyhow: Boy Scouts of America v. James Dale, 120 S.Ct. 2446 (2000). It held:
Quote:
At any rate, there is no forced inclusion happening here. The organization is placed on probation, not even double-secret probation. I doubt they'll be dumb enough to talk about sexual orientation discrimination via social media again. |
I think (and I am no lawyer here) that the rules generally state you can be as selective as you want in a private scenario and not receiving any public funds. Which means, in my interpretation that public schools get public funding so any Greek systems have to play along. Or on the other end, there are golf courses who won't host PGA tournaments because they choose to be able to select their membership however they want. That's not due to public funding but is a mandate of that association. So any Greek letter organization can have whatever restrictions they want, but only at schools that will allow said restrictions. Why they would want to is another argument altogether.
|
Maybe we all are forgeting one thing, THE PERSON!
Maybe he did not fit in period gay or straght? Could this whole thing be just a ploy? |
Quote:
|
Quote:
The second question is whether the government can choose treat organizations that discriminate differently from those that don't—whether in the context of a school denying or limiting recognition or in the context of a city denying the organization permission to participate in a parade. The answer to that second question is murky for me. In other words, an organization has the right to choose its members and set its criteria for membership. But does it also have a right to expect public accommodation if those criteria are contrary to public policy? |
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:00 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.