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DeltaBetaBaby 11-05-2012 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2187985)
Lol. Chill out and wipe the foam off of your mouth, I just posted the article since its relevant to this thread but since we're here let me ask you why the paper loses credibility because of using "Con Edison"? I googled it and it looks like the company that supplies power to that region is named.....Con Edison.

Mea Culpa. That's the term people use around here to disparage Com Ed.

FSUZeta 11-05-2012 07:34 PM

Perhaps the point is that that partisan politics(and union membership) should be put aside in moments of disaster and emergency.

MysticCat 11-05-2012 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 2188009)
Perhaps the point is that that partisan politics(and union membership) should be put aside in moments of disaster and emergency.

I think that's part of the point. I think the other part of the point is that adequate and coordinated communication is crucial. I find it all to easy to believe that work crews in the field and in the stress of trying to deal with crises think they know what they're talking about (such as the requirement of union membership) when they actually don't.

PiKA2001 11-05-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 2188009)
Perhaps the point is that that partisan politics(and union membership) should be put aside in moments of disaster and emergency.

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2188013)
I think that's part of the point. I think the other part of the point is that adequate and coordinated communication is crucial. I find it all to easy to believe that work crews in the field and in the stress of trying to deal with crises think they know what they're talking about (such as the requirement of union membership) when they actually don't.

I'm pretty sure this all boils down to standard operating procedures gone wrong and some miscommunication. In normal times if these guys were to work out in IBEW "turf" even as a part-timer, seasonal, temp, etc they would have to temporarily affiliate with the local there. I bet that these work crews that believe they are being told to unionize are getting those standard forms when offering to help. The utility companies should have a separate temp work form for in case of emergencies.

MysticCat 11-06-2012 10:05 AM

^^^ Exactly.

DeltaBetaBaby 11-06-2012 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2188016)
I'm pretty sure this all boils down to standard operating procedures gone wrong and some miscommunication. In normal times if these guys were to work out in IBEW "turf" even as a part-timer, seasonal, temp, etc they would have to temporarily affiliate with the local there. I bet that these work crews that believe they are being told to unionize are getting those standard forms when offering to help. The utility companies should have a separate temp work form for in case of emergencies.

Agreed.

Are these guys working for the same pay as the union?

PiKA2001 11-06-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2188095)
Agreed.

Are these guys working for the same pay as the union?

Probably not since these guys are most likely getting paid their normal wages (maybe some overtime) from wherever they come from. Considering the cost of living differences between Alabama, Michigan, and NYC I'm assuming the NYC guys get paid much better.

DeltaBetaBaby 11-06-2012 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2188102)
Probably not since these guys are most likely getting paid their normal wages (maybe some overtime) from wherever they come from. Considering the cost of living differences between Alabama, Michigan, and NYC I'm assuming the NYC guys get paid much better.

Okay, this is the part I don't really get...wouldn't affiliating with the union get them better wages? Or does it not work that way at all?

thetalady 11-06-2012 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2188103)
Okay, this is the part I don't really get...wouldn't affiliating with the union get them better wages? Or does it not work that way at all?

I believe that paying the high union dues is a lot of the problem.

PiKA2001 11-06-2012 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2188103)
Okay, this is the part I don't really get...wouldn't affiliating with the union get them better wages? Or does it not work that way at all?

It doesn't work like that. This is more of a pay to play situation. A local in NY who strictly deals with employees of say, Con Ed isn't going to be able to bargain for people who don't work for Con Ed, let alone a self employed truck driver.

DeltaBetaBaby 11-06-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2188132)
It doesn't work like that. This is more of a pay to play situation. A local in NY who strictly deals with employees of say, Con Ed isn't going to be able to bargain for people who don't work for Con Ed, let alone a self employed truck driver.

Okay, so they are not really affiliating with the union, then? Or they are, but just in a looser affiliation?

PiKA2001 11-06-2012 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2188137)
Okay, so they are not really affiliating with the union, then? Or they are, but just in a looser affiliation?

They would be paying union dues but not getting union representation. It's good for the union coffers but I can see how it can be annoying for the people having to pay the dues just to do a two or three day job.


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