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MysticCat 01-17-2012 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 2118584)
The causing strife I would think would be a bigger issue.

And risk management.

DrPhil 01-17-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2118552)
There is no "family line" if you're not all in the same friggin' GLO.

That is not true across the board.

There is a family line for the GLOs that establish family bonds with each other at the chapter and/or local/regional/district/national/internatonal levels.

DeltaBetaBaby 01-17-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2118586)
And risk management.

Protecting single-sex status IS risk management, i.e. not leaving yourselves open to getting slapped with a discrimination lawsuit is one way to manage risk.

AlphaFrog 01-17-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2118694)
Protecting single-sex status IS risk management, i.e. not leaving yourselves open to getting slapped with a discrimination lawsuit is one way to manage risk.

Yes, but it's not the only risk management item associated.

The whole "all dogs are animals, but not all animals are dogs" type logic equation.

MysticCat 01-17-2012 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2118694)
Protecting single-sex status IS risk management, i.e. not leaving yourselves open to getting slapped with a discrimination lawsuit is one way to manage risk.

It's the not the biggest risk management issue, though. I'm not convinced that these informal cross-GLO little brother and little sister arrangements are a real threat to single-sex status. (Actual little sister orgs, on the other hand . . . .) Besides, in these instances, a lawsuit would have to come from someone who is already a member of a (single-sex) GLO.

The real risk management issue, as I see it, is that a non-member could be seen to be acting on behalf of the GLO in some capacity, so that a GLO could find itself liable for something a non-member did.

DeltaBetaBaby 01-17-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2118707)
I'm not convinced that these informal cross-GLO little brother and little sister arrangements are a real threat to single-sex status. (Actual little sister orgs, on the other hand . . . .) Besides, in these instances, a lawsuit would have to come from someone who is already a member of a (single-sex) GLO.

No, the thinking is that, if my org has "big brothers", then we can't systemically deny men bids, so the suit would come from, for example, a man who went through recruitment and didn't get a bid.

Is that a really risk? Well, I don't know, because I'm pretty sure it's never been tried in court. In fact, I think it seems a little far-fetched, but it was definitely cited by my HQ as the reason we weren't supposed to have "pledge dads", and the reason that our house sweetheart was supposed to be off-the-record.

MysticCat 01-17-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2118710)
No, the thinking is that, if my org has "big brothers", then we can't systemically deny men bids, so the suit would come from, for example, a man who went through recruitment and didn't get a bid.

I see. Thanks. And I certainly don't mean to be arguing with anyone's HQ or risk management policies.

Amberlicious 01-17-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by alphatausc (Post 2118250)
I'm guessing he picked you up for your looks, so I'm guessing you are pretty good looking. So, continuing on making inferences, I'm guessing your sorority picks up some good looking girls (if not picks up ONLY good looking girls), which therefore means whoever your little is...will be good looking.

But yeah, tell him to take a walk if he doesn't like who you picked.

Every sorority has good looking women! I just feel pissed by the fact that my Big is sort of telling me who to pick!

AOII Angel 01-17-2012 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Amberlicious (Post 2118792)
Every sorority has good looking women! I just feel pissed by the fact that my Big is sort of telling me who to pick!

So he is trying to tell you who to take as a little SIS not as a little brother. It's none of his business. Tell him that he needs to know his place.

TSteven 01-18-2012 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2118710)
No, the thinking is that, if my org has "big brothers", then we can't systemically deny men bids, so the suit would come from, for example, a man who went through recruitment and didn't get a bid.

Is that a really risk? Well, I don't know, because I'm pretty sure it's never been tried in court. In fact, I think it seems a little far-fetched, but it was definitely cited by my HQ as the reason we weren't supposed to have "pledge dads", and the reason that our house sweetheart was supposed to be off-the-record.

If you are comfortable discussing and able to do so, I am curious about the bolded part above. Was any specific reason(s) given by your HQ as to why a house (by house you mean chapter?) sweetheart should be “off-the-record”?

Many NIC/IFC fraternities have sweethearts and are quite open (press releases, on websites etc.) about it. At no time are the sweethearts considered members of the fraternity and I don’t recall any concern about the single sex status of the fraternity by having a sweetheart.

DeltaBetaBaby 01-18-2012 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 2118916)
If you are comfortable discussing and able to do so, I am curious about the bolded part above. Was any specific reason(s) given by your HQ as to why a house (by house you mean chapter?) sweetheart should be “off-the-record”?

Many NIC/IFC fraternities have sweethearts and are quite open (press releases, on websites etc.) about it. At no time are the sweethearts considered members of the fraternity and I don’t recall any concern about the single sex status of the fraternity by having a sweetheart.

Oh, I take that back. A single sweetheart each semester (or year) was allowed. However, they wanted us to use very specific language in describing him, i.e. he was not, under any circumstance, an "honorary member" or a "Phi Mu Man".

TSteven 01-18-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2118954)
Oh, I take that back. A single sweetheart each semester (or year) was allowed. However, they wanted us to use very specific language in describing him, i.e. he was not, under any circumstance, an "honorary member" or a "Phi Mu Man".

Gotcha. And thanks.

33girl 01-19-2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2118690)
That is not true across the board.

There is a family line for the GLOs that establish family bonds with each other at the chapter and/or local/regional/district/national/internatonal levels.

I assure you, this ain't that.


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