BS JAS, Erik C who is a TKE gave me a lead in Denver and will shoot INT e-m! Shot them an e-m about a school in the South who want all locals to go Nat. Never heard a word from Indy! Sucks!
If we do not recruit, we lose! Lets get back on schools that have been closed and go to schools that are ripe for Greeks!

Oh damn smoke alarm is going off, dinner must be ready! LOL:D

Later Bro, and thanks for being there!:)

I know it's been a while

anway, we're getting our House Back, much love to all Phi Sigma Sigma sisters for having such a caring group of ladies to take care of something that means so much to us.

anyway. At University of Rhode Island, we're not recognized by the school, but we are recognized by PanHill and IFC. So we don't get any money or support from the U. but we get it from IFC, Panhill, FMA and international LXA.

in mimicing New Yorks policy on shutting down clubs, the U. here is trying to ellimanate our system slowly. However, our IFC doesn't have a J-board (judicial) and just put together a consitution. So needless to say, our system has been lawless since the begining of time, no wonder the school hates us so much.
This up coming semester is going to be difficult, I actually have to put the J-board together!! another one of my brothers, Conrad, is in charge of philantropies, so together we are going to push hard to allow the greek system to show the good it can do for the U.
The one thing i see is a whole bunch of guys around campus getting together, rushing, becoming "frats" and then getting kicked off campus cause they're irresponcible!! Even National fraternities like FIJI, Sigma Chi, PIKE, Sigma Nu, SigEp, hell ZBT just came back from an incident that happened five years ago. Needless to say, it's all about following the Risk management stuff that LXA gives out.
keep up your own, take care of your own, make sure you're stable enough to set a good example to other "colonies". International by hearsay and letter has informed us that they want to start one up at Brown, and they want us to help them.
That's all well and good but what can we do if we're unstable and not taking care of our brothers, our dues, our rush. . so on and so on.
keep your head up, things are getting better all the time.

in ZAX
Jacob Lee (j7 on wriu fridays 9-mid, 90.3fm) hehe, had to plug:-D
HZ 1268

ps: i got my first little brother!!! and we're signing housing contracts this monday, 29 old north road is ours!!!!!!!!
CAUSE GOOD THING COME BACK

So let me get this straight- URI lambda chi is NOT recognized by campus and hasnt been for some time?

I think that is great if it is true. Some of these colleges are pikers and we should go IF we want to be at them!

So again I ask what do you think about a new colony opening without a college approval or offical greek system at a college like Franklin and Marshall?

Jason Lenox

to be honest, i think you'll be well recieved by people who don't know anything about the system.
since you're not suported by the college, and you're not recognized by national then in your rush you're going to have guys with a common goal, to survive.
they'll want national to suport them, so they'll work hard, they'll be quality men who will imporove not only you're colony, but will help imporve the college's veiw on the system.
the U. might then to suport, not nessesarily fund, but recognize you as an orginization. that can make life easier.
it's all politics, and that's the shitty part. Guys can't just get together for a common good anymore. we have to have a mission statement, busniess cards, and a clean police record (jk) what's up with that?
if you find quality guys that want to put forth the effort, your labor will be well worth it, you'll have a strong brotherhood, and everyone will see that, family, friends, international, chapters near by, and your school.
good luck:-)
do it up!!!!!

in ZAX
Jacob Lee
HZ 1268

Jacob, congratulations on getting house back, did not know you did not have the house in the web site adn werent recognized by the school! Jas do either of you know th policy from International? I got the idea that they were not for it! Hell if that is the case, the school not wanting Greeks 90 % would be gone off campus!

They need to get head out of butts! Helmbok said were going to try and do 4- new groups a year for long range growth !

Lets get the chapters that have been closed and new ones at the same time!

When I was colonized, there was a race between LXA and TKE for the number of chapters!

the two main ones at the front of this was Erik Conard, TKE, and Our own Beloved George S. Geroge was there for the colonization and chartering. Erik was very instrumental in getting me toward LXA and did work behind the scene with the School and International!

I guess George ust have liked me as got the LX designation for the zeta!:D

OKAY, Enuff on my part!;)

It is LXA's policy not to exist on a campus where the campus itself will not recognize the chapter/colony. Believe me, I know this all too well - UNC revoked recognition of LXA in 89, and, even though the chapter was making significant progress in getting back on their feet, the de-recognition was a death sentence.

There are fraternities that will exist at a school where the campus will not recognize them. Pi Kappa Alpha and Sigma Pi come to mind at local campuses where the university revoked their recognition. Believe me, we do NOT want chapters like these...they became true example of Animal House - and therefore that was the membership they recruited for.

I believe HQ wants only to be on campuses where chapters will be recognized, for the role of the fraternity is to be a "partner" with the university in shaping the individual members. Where one organization or the other will refuse to recognize, this equation is null and void. I think Tom Helmbock even had a reference to this in a Reflections article some time ago.

Pretty much Independent in Canada
 

Hi guys - not meaning to jump in here, but it was an interesting question, and do I have an example for you ...

These are the current LXA chapters in Canada ..

U of Toronto - Epsilon-Epsilon Zeta, 1927
U of Alberta - Epsilon-Rho Zeta, 1945
McGill University - Iota-Iota Zeta, 1953
U of Western Ontario - Delta-Eta Zeta, 1993
Wilfrid Laurier U, Laurier Colony, 2000

These would be for the most part, be considered "Independent" (ie. lacking in Administration control).

The only one that is "controlled" by university/faculty is WLU. U of Alberta does have a Greek Advisor who is a faculty member, but he just makes sure that there is peace in Fratland, and helps resolve any issues. UBC (LXA is closed there) is the same.

UWO is recognized as a student group, but receive no funding nor are controlled by the university. U of Calgary (LXA closed) is the same, but although no funding, get all the meeting rooms, office space, etc. in the SU that other campus groups get.

U of T & McGill Student Unions do not recognize indivdual Greek chapters, but do recgonize the Greek Councils, which are run by Greek student members (no faculty/university control). If there are issues between groups or someone has stepped out of line, the 2 groups deal with it.

Of the 26 campuses where is Greek life is present in Canada, only 3 have faculty Greek Advisors (meaning that they are all PhD in a field, and they are Greek). The common practice is that Greek groups are recognized as student groups, can get the same benefits as other campus groups, but no funding. An Office of Student Activities doesn't exist really as this is all run through Students Union, so campus groupsare a bit more autonomous than or American counterparts.

And here is something that will REALLY blow your mind .... every campus Student Union runs a bar/night club on campus which is a MAJOR (count 6 zeros) source of income for SU's ....(remember the drinking age here is 18 (19 in Ont & BC).

If you like more informaion, please PM me ....

Shala

~~~~~~~~~~~
Shala Berry, AOII
President, Canadian Interfraternal Assc.

Shala
 

Did you get the name I sent you and e-m? Let me know and will send againg if you did not!!!:)

yes - thanks!! :)

a respectful rebuttal
 

It is LXA's policy not to exist on a campus where the campus itself will not recognize the chapter/colony. Believe me, I know this all too well - UNC revoked recognition of LXA in 89, and, even though the chapter was making significant progress in getting back on their feet, the de-recognition was a death sentence.

There are fraternities that will exist at a school where the campus will not recognize them. Pi Kappa Alpha and Sigma Pi come to mind at local campuses where the university revoked their recognition. Believe me, we do NOT want chapters like these...they became true example of Animal House - and therefore that was the membership they recruited for.

I believe HQ wants only to be on campuses where chapters will be recognized, for the role of the fraternity is to be a "partner" with the university in shaping the individual members. Where one organization or the other will refuse to recognize, this equation is null and void. I think Tom Helmbock even had a reference to this in a Reflections article some time ago.

---To respond to LXAAlum-

I totally disagree with this idea from our national fraternity and agree with Sig Pi and PIKA-

Being non recognized by a campus if we want to be there should mean we cant or shouldnt. The more research I do I find that the examples of this are successful for the exceptions they make, as well as some failures as well. Id cite Delta Sigma Phi at F&M in pennsylvania as a success stories that isnt an animal house and an independent chapter.

Id also say that as far as being a partnership- I question what if anything many campuses do for our individual chapters

At my college in pa-

no (real ) help with recruiting
no help wth housing

many out of date rules that are enforced very unevenly etc.

and- our chapter followed non hazing and risk managment statutes because we were Lambda Chi's and not because the school did or didnt have these policies.

Im glad to see this forum has gotten back to where i intended it to be! Thanks LXA ALUM

Lenoxxx

Jason, while I am not sure how to put this forward I will try!

In Our talks, Pa. Schools are in another world! Some Schools do not recognize Greeks but tolerate them. Others give the Greeks money from a fund. Others have locals and want International now. Of course some want to do away with Greeks altogether.

Does that about sum it up?

I for one will never go back to my school if my House is not there! I will never give any money to my school as they want to be asses to the Greeks!:mad:

If not for Greeks where or what would any Homcoming be but high school bands trodding in horse sh#*!!!

While I love what I have after thse many years, I am also the hardest on the, E-M Helmbock, he knows me! ;)

Well maybe we are cookin now!!!!!!!:D

We just need to get more on this thread!!!!!:cool:

Jason,
I think one of the reasons (this is sheer speculation on my part, but seems reasonable enough) that LXA does not wish to be on a campus that will not recognize a chapter are possible legal ramifications that may, and I emphasize, may arise from risk-management or other issues.

While I think it is totally reasonable to have a chapter at a campus that either never has or has revoked recognition, I'm not sure if General Fraternity can afford the risk. In these days of legal sue-anyone-and-everyone mindset, that is probably one of the biggest reasons.

I do think that the General Fraternity is coming around on expansion. Not necessarily changing policy on expansion, but, they sure seem to be very aggressive recently in placing new colonies. I'm not sure if this is due to personnel, mindset, or financially based motivations, but, it sure is nice to see new colonies always showing in the Cross and Crescent, and, for the first time, the new colonies are outpacing the announcement of closed chapters.