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AOII Angel 07-20-2011 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by angels&angles (Post 2071808)
This would be amazing. Without Insurance my seasonique pack (which is for three months) was running me $180! So the choices were pay through the butt, or risk having children (that I can't afford, nor do I want). Ugh. Thank god for Planned Parenthood that would give me free sample packs every three months, and for universal healthcare letting me get back on my parents insurance and buy me a few more years.

I used to take that. Hopefully it will be generic soon, too. Argh...earliest expected date is 2023! Try Lybrel. You take it everyday with no break at all. It now has a generic.

angels&angles 07-20-2011 02:51 PM

I have insurance with no copay so I'm doing all right now. Thanks for the info, though

Elephant Walk 07-20-2011 02:55 PM

Throw in free abortions and I won't call this a fascist/corporatist bill anymore (even though it still is)

--As an addendum, I think you're smart enough to know that there is nothing free DrPhil. I mean, maybe you aren't. Just call it as is: Women should get birth control paid for by money stolen from other people, panel says.

DrPhil 07-20-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2071815)
--As an addendum, I think you're smart enough to know that there is nothing free DrPhil. I mean, maybe you aren't. Just call it as is: Women should get birth control paid for by money stolen from other people, panel says.

Too bad your mother wasn't on effective birth control.

Elephant Walk 07-20-2011 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2071822)
Too bad your mother wasn't on effective birth control.

Excellent response!

Embarassing. If you have anything of substance to rebut my statement, go ahead. But you don't, so you resort to silly attacks.

KSig RC 07-20-2011 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2071828)
Embarassing. If you have anything of substance to rebut my statement, go ahead. But you don't, so you resort to silly attacks.

It's embarrassing to all of us that you think the counterpoint is somehow difficult to find.

However, I'll bite - it's simple math: the cost of contraception is likely much, MUCH less of a burden on the average taxpayer than the costs of unwanted children to individuals who cannot (or do not want to) support them.

Sunk costs are still sunk - there is no shame in sinking them more efficiently.

DrPhil 07-20-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk
Excellent response!

Embarassing. If you have anything of substance to rebut my statement, go ahead. But you don't, so you resort to silly attacks.

You are the dumbass who thinks the word "free" in this context means that people think unicorns come from the Heavens to shit preventive health services on the masses.

knight_shadow 07-20-2011 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2071830)
You are the dumbass who thinks the word "free" in this context means that people think unicorns come from the Heavens to shit preventive health services on the masses.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9MrCLXq5ub...-corn_hell.png

/my only contribution

DrPhil 07-20-2011 04:02 PM

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...fuJWrCLbyaHUGA

The angry taxpayers are cleaning up the unicorn shit, also known as preventive health services, that only an idiot would consider stolen.

AOII Angel 07-20-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2071835)
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...fuJWrCLbyaHUGA

The angry taxpayers are cleaning up the unicorn shit, also known as preventive health services, that only an idiot would consider stolen.

LOL! Every penny paid for in preventative health services is very wells spent. Otherwise we can go back to the days when syphillis was rampant like in Henry the VIII's time. Sounds great!

DrPhil 07-20-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2071842)
LOL! Every penny paid for in preventative health services is very wells spent. Otherwise we can go back to the days when syphillis was rampant like in Henry the VIII's time. Sounds great!

Send it Elephant Walk's way first.

Elephant Walk 07-20-2011 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 2071829)
It's embarrassing to all of us that you think the counterpoint is somehow difficult to find.

However, I'll bite - it's simple math: the cost of contraception is likely much, MUCH less of a burden on the average taxpayer than the costs of unwanted children to individuals who cannot (or do not want to) support them.

Sunk costs are still sunk - there is no shame in sinking them more efficiently.

If you're under the conception that the taxpayer should pay for the unwanted children, then yes, you can believe that.

KSig RC 07-20-2011 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2071848)
If you're under the conception that the taxpayer should pay for the unwanted children, then yes, you can believe that.

No, I'm operating under the reality that taxpayers already do.

In that scenario (which is, well, reality), any step forward is a good one. You have to disabuse yourself of the notion that only fundamental change is good change, or you'll be a sad panda forever.

"Should" is a stupid word.

Elephant Walk 07-20-2011 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 2071842)
LOL! Every penny paid for in preventative health services is very wells spent. Otherwise we can go back to the days when syphillis was rampant like in Henry the VIII's time. Sounds great!

I'm confused on how preventative health services wouldn't exist, without public money.

Currently, gobs and gobs of private money goes into preventative care. And it works, better than the governments inefficient system. Why not enhance the private sector over the public, so that citizens are able to choose what to do and not do with their money?

The fact that you think that you have the right to tell anyone what to do with their money is absolutely disgusting. If you believe in limiting that personal freedom, you probably also want to ban gay marriage...at least if you didn't want to be hypocritical.

KSig RC 07-20-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 2071850)
I'm confused on how preventative health services wouldn't exist, without public money.

Because we're not operating in a hypothetical market - we're operating in an actual, defined system, one in which insurance companies have very little incentive to push preventative services (due to consumer, government and market pressures), and one in which their slavish devotion to quarterly earnings trumps the long-term cost benefit of pushing preventative measures anyway.


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