Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2046325)

I understand why bicultural organizations may specifically not want to be part of the NMGC, but would they not qualify?

Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2046320)

LOL I guess I better explain more:

I'm having a hard time organizing my thoughts right now but I'm going to think on this - even what's below probably doesn't make any sense (blame it on work or something, I don't know).

My question does relate, though, to the racial or cultural diversity of memberships and how it doesn't change any professed racial or cultural purpose of the group.

If I joined an NPHC organization it wouldn't change that aspect of the groups purpose. That's generally understood.

However, and this is because I'm coming from an NPC context and I think it's pretty clear that in general NPC sorority members are pretty terrible at relating to groups that are not NPC (or even other NPC groups, don't get me started), I see people lumping particularly Asian and some Latino fraternities and sororities with the multicultural groups when serving as a multicultural organization was not part of the intended purpose of the group. And I was just wondering what that means particularly for chapters of the organization that do have a relatively diverse member population, if that makes sense.

For many NPC/NIC members, it's easy to put everyone in the boxes of "NPC," "NIC," "NPHC," and "everyone else." And sometimes just "NPC/NIC" and "everyone else." It's my understanding that by not recognizing the differences between different types of Greek organizations, folks are doing a disservice to those organizations because recognition helps to understand differing points of view and approaches to functioning as a Greek Life organization.

So, basically, not understanding the general principles upon which different types of organizations were founded is poopy doo doo and I want to know if others agree and to what extent the poopy doo doo is.

Please forgive me for acting like dnall and generalizing my perceptions or those of people I know to mean that everyone views it that way.

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2046329)

And programming wise, how many multicultural organizations focus on majority culture with the same fervor as minority culture?

Are multicultural organizations truly multicultural, or are they "celebration of minority cultures" organizations?

Why do multicultural organizations probate/emerge/step and not have "Presents" or other traditions from majority cultures?

These are just questions.... I'm not sure that multicultural orgs necessarily include white cultures any more than bicultural orgs do.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2046332)

Okay. :)

diverse membership =/= biculturalism or multiculturalism

Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2046333)

But is that getting into a:
Q: Why is there no International Men's Day?
A: Because International Men's Day is the other 364 days of the year.

Type of thing?

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2046329)

Why do multicultural organizations probate/emerge/step and not have "Presents" or other traditions from majority cultures?

These are just questions.... I'm not sure that multicultural orgs necessarily include white cultures any more than bicultural orgs do.

Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2046333)

But is that getting into a:
Q: Why is there no International Men's Day?
A: Because International Men's Day is the other 364 days of the year.

Type of thing?

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2046342)

However, since whites also have race, and ethnicity, and culture it would be fitting that white cultures are celebrated. Whiteness as an assimilated ideal doesn't have to be celebrated but the different cultures that have assimilated into whiteness could be celebrated. There are campus organizations and cultural celebrations that do that at some schools. Students (including first generation Americans and those whose great-great grandparents immigrated to America) from different white diasporic cultures attend cultural events in which they wear traditional attire and share traditions. This has often been reserved for nonwhites except in cities that have cultural events for white ethnicities.

Originally Posted by agzg (Post 2046344)

I don't disagree. But since I'm not a member of those groups I don't necessarily get a say in what they do or don't do, and the reasons why they do or don't do them. They certainly won't get a "but that's not faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair" from me, and I'm sure that they do the events and things that their membership wants to do.

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2046321)

I agree with this, but take it even further to suggest that bicultural organizations would specifically exclude anything they consider to be colonial or imperial (white) ideology. I am sure they would take a white member who was down for liberation and such, but the way that exemplify their ideals (say for example, Malik) is militant to the point of alienation.

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 2046364)

Oh, Ramapo....