Princeton, I think.

I don't think that's NPC policy, just a recommendation. The prestige of a chapter at an Ivy (and the perceived financial health of the students and alumnae) outweighs the not-being-recognized factor. They're also aware of why the schools don't recognize Greeks - i.e. for bullshit PC reasons - not because of religious or risk mgmt factors.

Princeton is recognized.

Santa Clara University in California does not recognize groups.

Yes, yes, a million times yes. This is also why, with the exception of Dartmouth, when an Ivy chapter loses its charter, you know they did Something. Very. Bad.

Hmm...I'm not quite sure what you mean about Dartmouth being an exception. Could you elaborate?

Dartmouth made all of their chapters local--it wasn't a national decision, it was a University-wide decision. It's been discussed ad nauseam around here, by people much more articulate than I.

I'm speaking mainly of chapters where they lose a national charter...usually it's harder for an Ivy to lose their charter than it is for any other college. The cachet of having an Ivy chapter is very attractive for many groups.

Dartmouth actually has 3 local sororities and 5 national sororities, and there is a college ban on founding any new locals. The most recent colonizations have been KD and aphi.

Dartmouth does have a large number of local fraternities, but they do have some national ones as well.

In Canada many schools have NPC GLOs but have no recognition from the University, in fact, lack of recognition is the norm. For example, my university, WLU, has both a Delta Gamma and Alpha Phi chapter (as well as one local sorority) and we are not recognized. The same situation applies to almost every school in Canada (and most have NPC groups). In fact, only University of British Columbia has a formal campus IFC and Panhellenic in the traditional American sense.

Maybe this clarifies things?

Enjoy your discussion about Harvard...

Yeah the Zeta of Psi Upsilon is on Dartmouth, so can you please explain what you are talking about?

Okay. I don't know what things are like now, but Dartmouth's Greek system is a little different from the other Ivies...there was a push a few years ago (maybe longer ago than I think) to take away national charters. It was a University, and not an organizational, decision.

I think that was close to ten years ago now. Maybe more like 7, but it was a while ago either way. There was talk of an initiative to end non coed organizations, but it never passed. It got shot down super fast, though the administration at the time was rather attached to it. A lot of alum backlash against the administration because of it, too. I know Dartmouth has the largest greek system of the Ivies, and there certainly are more local fraternities (which is how Heorot and Bones Gate are greek letter organizations. There's also a KKK, but it predates the other one).

And we're a college, not a university. I know its semantics, but it matters to us.

Is it really larger than Cornell's or Penn's?

Sorry, I was speaking in terms of percentage of affiliated students (out of those that are eligible, obviously). I am sure Cornell has more greeks on total, because there are more students. Couldn't find the number, which is odd. Sorry, should have specified.

I know. It doesn't matter to me. :) I used "University" in this term to refer to the adminstration, since it is indeed a university and not a bachelor-level college. :)

I think Cornell has the largest Greek system in the Ivies; I also wouldn't be surprised if it had the largest Greek system in New York State.

For a good while NPCs were not recognized at Texas A&M. They existed, but were not fully recognized until about 1990 / 1991. A lot of the NPC chapters at A&M were colonized in the late '70s - early 80's.

What I remember was that the school had some "issue" with the NPCs so that is why they were not recognized for a long time. Then the NPCs and the campus worked out whatever "issue" it was and the chapters then were recognized by the University.

Oddly though the IFC fraternities were recognized by the University long before the NPCs.

Yep, I was about to post "Almost every Canadian chapter" when I saw this post.