Just an example. You don't have to be rude and try to overlook it.

Hmmmm-really!?!?

let us work together, then
 

I did not expect a perfumed response to my tirade in taking the
SAE's side.
And, with this vast an audience, one can find those who will agree, those who will not, fruitcakes and whatever.
SO...perhaps we can work together to expunge this lamentable
impasse....
GO GREEK.........love, Uncle Erik of Denver

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So, so true. A certain fraternity here rechartered about five years ago (Erik might know to which one I am referring). We have always been friends with these guys. Even though they were a bit smaller, we had exchanges with them because they were fun and excited to do stuff with us. A lot of girls in my chapter hung out there during rush and helped out. They had a date party early in the semester, and our girls set up all the guys without dates.

All of the sudden, I am hearing them refer to us as a "back-up house." As in, if no other sorority will hang out with them, they will call us. You know what? They always do.

OO FUNNY
 

This can be so true! When We were a local, no and I mean NO SOROity would do a run out with us! Well except the ADP which were not stroing on campus!

Several Brothers marrried AGD, some ADP, a Tri S was our first Sweetheart, and now, many Brothers daughters join SSS and it seems that the Chapter always does homecoming with the ASA! Go figure!

Some Days You are the Dog and other Days You are the FIRE PLUG! Never forget the ones that helped you the most, You will get bit in the BUTT! :D

THE BICYCLE WHEEL OF LIFE ALWAYS KEEPS TURNING!:)

More to come!;)

greek girlie:
Let me tell you that the SAME thing happened on my campus. A fraternity on our campus was still surviving only b/c their alums were huge donators to our college. They were the first fraternity that I hung out at when I came to school. And wouldn't you know that the Kappa Delts hung out there too! ;)

Even though they were small and looked at as "geeks", I loved them! I always said, "I could lay here screaming for sex, drunk as a skunk, then pass out...these guys would put a blanket on me and make sure I was safe."

Well, thanks to the KDs rushing hard for them, as well as the freshman girls I knew, their numbers increased. They started getting a very good mix of guys in the house....

and do they hang out with the KDs anymore?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They completely dropped us from their social schedule, even informally. Most of them now have gfs in a more "elite" sorority, and these guys actively rush against us! I could understand if they rushed women more toward their gfs' sorority....but they don't have to say nasty things about us!

Grrr.....ok, my anger is now easing out of my body. I just had to get that out!! :D

bump

Another good one to bump.

I can really identify with this.... A couple of chapters who were recently ranked higher than us lost a lot of members due to seperate hazing incedents (due to interventions by their respective HQ's).

In the past these two fraternities have committed many rush violations against us.. ie. having a member from THEIR house escort their potential new associates through OUR house (ballsey but none of us recognized them at the time).

Now it's kind of hard to know what to do or how they should be treated because of their past treatment of us....

I basically figure to give them a clean slate is fair... But others in my house don't feel the same.

If everyone would just get along and follow the rules that they approved in IFC we wouldn't have these types of issues..

BUMP!

just bumping this thread up.....

Thank you for making that point. A few of the other sorority women on my campus could do well to read it. We were down to four women first term of last year. [1300 person liberal arts school; 10% Greek participation; 5 IFC (housed), 3 NPC (unhoused), 2 "Professional" groups (unhoused); NPC chapter total is 50, the other two are at 39 and 45; lots of anti-Greek sentiment on campus.] For deferred Recruitment second term, the other chapters held it back... but just a little. There was still lots and lots of dirty rushing... i.e. "suicide us and we'll give you a COB bid." The sad thing is that it worked. We did have a good Recruitment (for us, the best we'd had in years, but nowhere as good as the others), and if we have another one this year we should be out of the red. However, I don't think that any of them would care if we folded. I doubt that any of them would notice. The fraternities on campus, even the small ones who are struggling themselves, only care to hang out with the other two groups. The two "professional" groups do a lot of trash-talking to freshmen about our system... i.e. "Oh, well, we're not a *social* sorority..." even though we've got better grades and more philanthropic involvement than they do. They schedule their recruitment events at the exact same time as all of our Recruitment parties and go out of their way to discourage women from being involved in both their organization and an NPC or IFC group. As if our NPC/IFC groups' trying to kill each other weren't enough... Grr... sorry, I'm just a little bitter here.

I dont feel bad when a TKE chapter closes. They took it upon themselves to overexpand and start chapters at schools that didn't have room for additional organizations.
What do they expect?

The number of students interested in pledging is dropping yet TKE feels the need to start more chapters.

If you are on a campus with 50 fraternities and 5 new fraternities start up, it will hurt your rush numbers but it wont kill you. On the other hand if you are at a small school with 4 fraternities and 4 new fraternities start up their is a good chance that some of the existing fraternites will die out and all will suffer.

madmax...
 

dude, it sounds like you are taking this one personally.

not that I agree with that expansion philosophy, but there are PLENTY of groups that have made messed up expansion choices.

There was a fraternity we use to mix with. One year they had scheduled a mixer with us but then called back and said they had something to do that night. Well we found out it was a mixer with another sorority. We were pissed!!!!! That fraternity's rep was neither strong nor weak just there. We didn't care we thought they were cool guys. As our reputation grew better and better (actually in one year our rep made leaps IMO) the next year they asked us to mix with them-at the meeting when the social chair brought it up for a vote-we all just laughed-there was no way in hell we were going to give them a second chance. I don't think we ever mixed with them again.

Nothing wrong with starting chapters. TKE IHQ is working hard to re open many chapters that had to close for one reason or another. From what I have seen lately they don't start many "new" chapters that often but I guess thats because we are allready at alot of schools. I don't take it personally that you don't care if a TKE chapter closes because your not a TKE. I wouldn't care if your chapter closed either. It is sad to see fellow greek losing a chapter though.