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OHNOITSJESS 11-30-2010 01:32 AM

The male spirit group at Tech was suspended for hazing not too long ago. I know several members that have quit and joined IFC groups.

Any updates on the A&M situation? Obviously the time frame on the moratorium is up.

Ghostwriter 11-30-2010 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2007408)
However, if the Citadel and VMI have policies and procedures that classify some of these things as nonhazing, that's when we get into the more subjective nature of "hazing." If it isn't defined as hazing, it isn't technically hazing regardless of personal opinions on the matter.

Agree, but can't help wondering how state laws on hazing (if there are any for SC, VA and possibly others) come into play? I would think that they (state laws) supercede any institutional policies but , of course, there are a lot of politicos who graduated from these institutions and are now in a position to protect them.

DrPhil 11-30-2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghostwriter (Post 2007584)
Agree, but can't help wondering how state laws on hazing (if there are any for SC, VA and possibly others) come into play? I would think that they (state laws) supercede any institutional policies but , of course, there are a lot of politicos who graduated from these institutions and are now in a position to protect them.

SC and VA have hazing laws. I think the state laws supercede school laws, just as many schools' policies supercede organization's policies (with some exceptions).

The GC legal eagles can correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the ranking was: state----->school----->organization

LadyLonghorn 11-30-2010 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OHNOITSJESS (Post 2007540)
The male spirit group at Tech was suspended for hazing not too long ago. I know several members that have quit and joined IFC groups.

Any updates on the A&M situation? Obviously the time frame on the moratorium is up.

One of the Cowboys was actually killed as a result of hazing activities many years ago. The Cowboys weren't allowed to be around for a long time after that.

Drolefille 11-30-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2007702)
SC and VA have hazing laws. I think the state laws supercede school laws, just as many schools' policies supercede organization's policies (with some exceptions).

The GC legal eagles can correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the ranking was: state----->school----->organization

I'd add that sometimes organization ----> school if the HQ is willing to support a chapter as a non-recognized student organization.

Rare, but it happens, and more-so at different schools.

knight_shadow 11-30-2010 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2007766)
I'd add that sometimes organization ----> school if the HQ is willing to support a chapter as a non-recognized student organization.

Rare, but it happens, and more-so at different schools.

Read: Kappa Sigma at FGCU.

AnchorAlum 11-30-2010 10:34 PM

Knew of many kids who went into the Corp at A&M who did it because their fathers were in it, and they accepted the hazing.

The Corps is not a military organization. In some ways it is a weird sort of fraternal organization. aTm is quite frankly a "different" sort of place that would not be easily understood outside of Texas.

knight_shadow 11-30-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AnchorAlum (Post 2007786)
aTm is quite frankly a "different" sort of place that would not be easily understood outside of Texas.

Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit. A+M is odd even to those of us in Texas lol

OHNOITSJESS 12-01-2010 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2007787)
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit. A+M is odd even to those of us in Texas lol

Co-sign :p

ComradesTrue 12-01-2010 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AnchorAlum (Post 2007786)
aTm is quite frankly a "different" sort of place that would not be easily understood outside of Texas.

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2007787)
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit. A+M is odd even to those of us in Texas lol

I was going to say the same thing. Too much maroon kool-aid being consumed down there. My high school friends changed dramatically after a few weeks on campus, in that in their view only other Aggies could relate to them. Cult-like I tell ya!

High school friends who attended various other schools (including Texas, Tech, Baylor, SMU, etc) remained friends and in contact with each other. Those that went to A&M kept to themselves, even when home for holidays. Weird.

Ghostwriter 12-01-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2007702)
SC and VA have hazing laws. I think the state laws supercede school laws, just as many schools' policies supercede organization's policies (with some exceptions).

The GC legal eagles can correct me if I'm wrong, but I always thought the ranking was: state----->school----->organization

I thought so but was not 100% sure as I do not live in these states.

So if state law trumps school rules and school rules trump the organizations rules (in most cases) how do the Keydets of VMI, Corp at A&M and Cadets at The Citadel get away with the blatant hazing of plebes? I believe these schools have friends in high places who look out for them and/or turn a blind eye. It does seem a tad hypocritical of T A&M to clamp down on Greek organizations but not the Corp but as others have said A&M is definitely different.

sigmadiva 12-01-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2007787)
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit. A+M is odd even to those of us in Texas lol


Not me!!!!

But then, my opinion is VERY BIASED!!!


GIG 'EM

Gusteau 12-01-2010 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2007775)
Read: Kappa Sigma at FGCU.

Not anymore apparently...

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Originally Posted by Rambler1869 (Post 2007866)
Kappa Sigma is being formally recognized at FGCU. This will begin with the spring semester. It's great to see this finally happen.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...66#post2007866

knight_shadow 12-01-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Blondie93 (Post 2007859)
I was going to say the same thing. Too much maroon kool-aid being consumed down there. My high school friends changed dramatically after a few weeks on campus, in that in their view only other Aggies could relate to them. Cult-like I tell ya!

High school friends who attended various other schools (including Texas, Tech, Baylor, SMU, etc) remained friends and in contact with each other. Those that went to A&M kept to themselves, even when home for holidays. Weird.

Exactly. I understand school spirit, but CS takes it to another level. I'm used to seeing school mascots on cars or the occasional t-shirt/hoodie, but having an entire city draped in maroon is doing the most IMO lol

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2007882)
Not me!!!!

But then, my opinion is VERY BIASED!!!


GIG 'EM

Bless your heart ;)

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Originally Posted by Gusteau (Post 2007884)

Interesting. I wonder what happened with the whole "wait 5 years" thing. Oh well. This isn't really the thread for that.

aggieAXO 12-02-2010 12:33 AM

Well, I still spoke with my friends that weren't apart of "the cult";)


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