Wow.

I know plenty of gay men who were not 100% sure of their sexual orientation in college, and did not acknowledge it and come out until later.

How the persecution of an individual because of who they are attracted to can continue to exist in society, I don't know.

Again, this is MY OPINION and not meant to flame or start a flame. I recognize that different areas of the country have different customs and degrees of liberallness, and I know that I live in one of the more liberal places...

I would not mind a lesbian sister. Given the views of mainstream society in most of this country, these women (and men) need the support of a sisterhood (and brotherhood) more than most. And I've known many gay greeks, who would be HORRIFIED at the assumption that they'd troll for dates in their fraternity.

You know, I think that this is probably the most pertinent comment to this discussion. Would you hit on a biological brother or sister? Heck no! Well, I can't imagine someone hitting on their brother or sister in a glo. Now I realize that in some coed frats there is probably dating, but if I were in a coed I personally would never date one of the guys because of the potential problems.

That's just my opinion, but I really don't think a GLB would ever hit on a brother or sister. Not if they truly believe in their brother/sisterhood.

I would have no problem. What makes someone who is gay less of a brother or a sister? I think if someone comes through recruitment and shows the qualities I am looking for in a sister, I'm going to get her to join, no matter if she's gay or not. When I worked at Penn, lots of gay men were in fraternities...big national ones, and nobody had a problem with them.

Guess it depends on what your own beliefs are.

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Good call, lifesaver...
I'm trying to stay out of this.. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

I will watch and see where it goes before posting opinions..



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The answer came as a pounding whisper; "The four you seek are but one. I grant thee Compassion; for without it the four make none."
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i think it would depend on the campus. like, how conservative it was. Like, i think somewhere like UCLA or NYU it might be more acceptle than maybe University of Alabama.

[This message has been edited by Billy Optimist (edited March 29, 2001).]

I am with Siobhan ... i am from the same campus and i know all the stuff she's talking about. But, Billy, I also think that you may mean that there aren't as many OPENLY GLB people on a campus like U.Of Alabama but there are GLB on such campuses. Statistically, the GLB population is very large and growing as people admit it to themselves and to society. Imagine ... in 100 people, 25 (i am not sure if that is an accurate statistic but i am sure it is high) are GLB. If you know 100 people, chances are, some of them are definitely homo/bi-sexual. I also agree with all you peeps who say that it is the person that counts and not the sexual orientation .... it's like discriminating against which ice cream flavour someone likes.

Phew.... I am gonna stop now cuz i' m rambling. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by SimonaStar (edited March 29, 2001).]

Im not saying that there aren't openly GLB people on campouses like that, just maybe not many (if any, at some smaller schools) openly GLBs in GLOs.

A sister in my house came out recently, and this was after we had already been in the house for over a year, honestly It didn't phase me in the least bit. I don't even think about it now, although I do try to be a little bit more repectful of her, you know not talking about guys as much around her, but other than that, it's as if nothing has changed. She is my sister, and that means love unconditionally. On the other hand, I really don't know what i would do if a girl came through rush that was openly gay. I think it's an easier question to answer if the person is already in the house.

I agree with Billy, I think depends on where you live and what school you attend. I live in Vancouver on the more liberal cities in the world, and we have quite a substantial gay population here. We have gay parades, gay bars, etc. Now i'm not saying that everyone who lives is ok with this, but it is part of life in Vancouver. And uBC has quite a large gay population too. We have a pride club and they just celebrated UBC Pride Week a few weeks back with lots of workshops, movies, etc. It was really cool. And of course there are members in fraternities. I am not sure about the sororities, but I am sure there are. Anyways again most greek members have no problem with gay membership whatsoever. Like my fellow sister shadokat said, if they have the qualities you are looking for then why should their sexual preference matter?



[This message has been edited by Siobhan (edited March 29, 2001).]

Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! Is this the coming out thread??? Just kidding, but in that case, I am also a member of the GLBT community, as are other greeks I know of. I find nothing wrong with it, and I hope that Tempting finds the courage to confide in her sisters. I guess I just don't understand why you would say the homosexuality/bisexuality has anything to do with/ or is against what you were founded on. I know when I became a member of my organization, they said nothing to me about... well... "I pledge my fidelity, love, and heterosexuality to my sisters."

Nicely stated prdlocal.

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I answered ever so meekly; "I seek Honor, Truth, Integrity, and Wisdom, yet those are four. How am I to choose?"
The answer came as a pounding whisper; "The four you seek are but one. I grant thee Compassion; for without it the four make none."
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Thanks!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

prdlocal!
How ya been? I haven't seen you in a while. Welcome back, buddy! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thanks http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I know I've been ingnoring my buddies here on greek chat. I've been really really busy at my school. I work at our computer help desk and we've been really busy because our campus is using a new registration system and it really, really sux! But other than that, being the sorority social AND philanthropic chair can really tie up your time!!! How are you?

--Amanda

I think that it is harder to accept gays being in these kinds of organizations when they are trying to pass for straight. I think that is more harmful than coming out-especially guys in fraternities, because they have all these mixers with the girls, and they shouldn't feel forced to date girls, or get "involved" with them, just to cover up. Well, actually it works both ways, doesn't it. Guys aren't really excited about dating girls who aren't straight-so they shouldn't hide who they really are, should they? Fraternities and sororities are all about the social aspects-and yes, I know all about the for the community stuff, but mainly it's about friendships and social doings-so hiding their true identities is not fair to the rest of the members or opposite sex. How do you all feel about that aspect?