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knight_shadow 10-07-2010 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGold&SkyBlue (Post 1991830)
This is so sad. The only ones at fault are you and your fraternity brothers. Not for the hazing, that is a tradition that will continue no matter how hard the universities and schools push for non-hazing laws, but for getting caught and allowing it to be discovered by the school. No offense, but if the worse is they got beer on them and had to wear hoods, and one of them ratted ya'll out, you may have mistakenly given bids to a bunch of sorority girls. Like the others have stated, you are at the mercy of the school. But seriously, this is just pathetic. Any pledge who ever said anything about hazing would be balled, blacklisted, and a social outcast at the school.
How would getting beer poured on you better you as a brother? As a person?

If you applied for a job and they said they'd hire you if they could pour beer in your face, would that be acceptable?

It may be "tradition," but schools and GLOs are outlawing this behavior because it serves no purpose.

MysticCat 10-07-2010 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1991833)
It may be "tradition," but schools and GLOs are outlawing this behavior because it serves no purpose.
And poses major liability risks.

Kevin 10-07-2010 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGold&SkyBlue (Post 1991830)
This is so sad. The only ones at fault are you and your fraternity brothers. Not for the hazing, that is a tradition that will continue no matter how hard the universities and schools push for non-hazing laws, but for getting caught and allowing it to be discovered by the school. No offense, but if the worse is they got beer on them and had to wear hoods, and one of them ratted ya'll out, you may have mistakenly given bids to a bunch of sorority girls. Like the others have stated, you are at the mercy of the school. But seriously, this is just pathetic. Any pledge who ever said anything about hazing would be balled, blacklisted, and a social outcast at the school.
Ah yes. Pouring beer on people. A timeless and honored tradition, which by all means should be protected.

The way this is described, it might be that the group was trying to replicate waterboarding with beer. If so, if all that's happening is their group is being disbanded, then they're damn lucky.

OldGold&SkyBlue 10-07-2010 05:09 PM
Protected? Did I say anything about that? Nowhere in my post did I say hazing should be protected. I know for a fact, that hazing will continue for more than a while. Ah yes. Watching the new pledges that have no respect for GKE just walk right in and be able to accept their bids and become members of the fraternity I spent hours learning history, sweating, and going through pledging for. Ah what a thought. I sure wish I had it as easy as I am sure the brothers at your fraternity chapter do. So much for the term "pledging".

knight_shadow 10-07-2010 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGold&SkyBlue (Post 1991846)
Protected? Did I say anything about that? Nowhere in my post did I say hazing should be protected. I know for a fact, that hazing will continue for more than a while. Ah yes. Watching the new pledges that have no respect for GKE just walk right in and be able to accept their bids and become members of the fraternity I spent hours learning history, sweating, and going through pledging for. Ah what a thought. I sure wish I had it as easy as I am sure the brothers at your fraternity chapter do. So much for the term "pledging".
No one said that you have to accept every person that shows interest. If you don't think these people will be good brothers, don't give them bids.

And let's try not to bash others on this forum when you've only been here for a day, k?

ETA: GKE?

OldGold&SkyBlue 10-07-2010 05:20 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. I won't try and defend my opinion. And how can you judge someone from the 1 to 2 weeks formal recruitment is. I would love to see the kind of loyalty a brother has to me that knows no history of my fraternity, and no respect for me. Maybe its because I'm from the deep south and we view and do our fraternities different from ya'lls. I was more than willing to go through pledging the way the alumni brothers of mine and active brothers did before me. I expect that from the new rushees and pledges that continue to flock to the greek system here in the deep south. Tradition, its in our lifeblood.

Psi U MC Vito 10-07-2010 05:23 PM
^^ UM 2 of the people who say that hazing is idiotic are from the South IIRC. And you can have a good pledging program without hazing. All hazing does is make a good pledge, not a good Brother.

knight_shadow 10-07-2010 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGold&SkyBlue (Post 1991853)
Oh, I'm sorry. I won't try and defend my opinion. And how can you judge someone from the 1 to 2 weeks formal recruitment is. I would love to see the kind of loyalty a brother has to me that knows no history of my fraternity, and no respect for me. Maybe its because I'm from the deep south and we view and do our fraternities different from ya'lls. I was more than willing to go through pledging the way the alumni brothers of mine and active brothers did before me. I expect that from the new rushees and pledges that continue to flock to the greek system here in the deep south. Tradition, its in our lifeblood.
Y'alls? I guess Texas is northern?

You think you can gauge loyalty of a person by how well he pledges? These people are kissing ass to impress you. We look at people who are already involved before they're interested in us. Also, "true" brotherhood comes from casual interactions with brothers, NOT from the race to be a superpledge.

Common sense. It's in our lifeblood.

ETA:

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1991856)
^^ UM 2 of the people who say that hazing is idiotic are from the South IIRC. And you can have a good pledging program without hazing. All hazing does is make a good pledge, not a good Brother.
You type faster than I do.

ETAA: Am I the only one who doesn't know who/what GKE is? I've been pronouncing it like TKE and DKE pronounce their nicknames, and that's making this thread even better :)

Drolefille 10-07-2010 05:32 PM
I always judge how loyal people are by pouring beer on them. It's the only logical way.

lucgreek 10-07-2010 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by OldGold&SkyBlue (Post 1991853)
And how can you judge someone from the 1 to 2 weeks formal recruitment is.
Maybe for you guys giving out a bid and putting up with bullshit gets you initiated, but that doesn't fly with my fraternity. If a pledge isn't learning the history, doing what's expected of him (attending events, etc...), or just pissing people off, we just vote him out of pledging.

My chapter has a very strong brotherhood, and it's not because we poured beer or threw crap on pledges. Additionally, hazing our pledges isn't worth potentially losing our charter.

Psi U MC Vito 10-07-2010 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1991858)

ETAA: Am I the only one who doesn't know who/what GKE is? I've been pronouncing it like TKE and DKE pronounce their nicknames, and that's making this thread even better :)
Looking at my keyboard, I'm suspecting it is a typo.

knight_shadow 10-07-2010 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 1991881)
Additionally, hazing our pledges isn't worth potentially losing our charter.
And there we have it.

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1991883)
Looking at my keyboard, I'm suspecting it is a typo.
I would have noticed if I typed my fraternity's name incorrectly. Looks like his traditions did him a world of good.

Psi U MC Vito 10-07-2010 06:30 PM
Though the only way I can see a typo is if he meant TKE, and that doesn't mesh with the name. Maybe GKE is a local?

lucgreek 10-07-2010 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1991890)
Though the only way I can see a typo is if he meant TKE, and that doesn't mesh with the name. Maybe GKE is a local?
DKE has blue and gold as colors, however.

knight_shadow 10-07-2010 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lucgreek (Post 1991894)
DKE has blue and gold as colors, however.
Unless he's punching his keyboard, I don't see how he could have typed a G instead of a D lol


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