Agreed. :)

I can tell you that sororities with heavy hazing cultures do win awards such as that, at schools everywhere. It's funny how hazing can be well known among various chapters, but the school officials either don't know anything about it or turn a blind eye until forced to deal with it for some reason or another.

I agree. I know that fraternities are a different ballpark in terms of rules but the concept is still the same. There were two fraternities on my campus who were very strong. They constantly won awards from both the school and their nationals, donated lots of money to their individual philanthropies, and had prominent alumni sitting on school executive committees or were executives at local companies (meaning they donated lots of money to the fraternity and school). Both the school and nationals turned a blind eye to the public hazing and risk management issues these fraternities were continually involved in. It wasn't until some major incidents happened that both the school and nationals finally relented and yanked the charters.

In some ways, I wonder if stronger chapters can get away with more because people are willing to do "anything" to be a part of them? I have definitely seen some sorority chapters that were very strong in every area EXCEPT that they hazed horribly. Are people more willing to do stupid things to get into a "top tier" chapter?

Yeah maybe, but you would think if the sorority is smart enough to hide it or if the school is that blind/laissez-faire about it, that the situation wouldn't change in THAT short of a time unless there were really heavy duty (I'm talking legal involvement or death) things involved. And something that heavy duty would have been in the newspaper.

I'm not saying they didn't do anything wrong, because obviously they did - just that I don't like when people automatically assume a chapter closed through the complete fault of one party. There are at least FOUR entities involved in every chapter closure and very very rarely are there 3 angels and one devil.

Eh, you never know.

There was a chapter on my campus (back when I was active) who was caught doing something that, in more than one way, was illegal. Their chapter wasn't closed because of it, and they were able to get around the legal issues because they knew someone who knew someone who helped them out. It was never in the newspaper, and I'm willing to bet that chapter never tried something of that magnitude again.

But again, something like that rarely happens.

In this case, I don't think anyone can make judgment calls based on the information provided.

I have heard a lot about this (due to it happening at my school and our sororities sharing the same building for our suites), however I will say nothing publicly except that I feel so badly for Tri Delta and especially all of their sophomores, juniors, and seniors who are now left with few choices and no home. It is certainly a regrettable situation for them to be in, though their nationals would not have pulled their charter without cause. I suppose we will just have to trust the truth of the allegations against them in this situation (although from what I have heard they are not even close to being as serious as most would think, considering the punishment, though I will admit that I do not have all of the facts). Nevertheless it is a sad situation for Tri Delta, and for Penn State Greek life as a whole.

As a side note, I would like to just implore those reading the Collegian's take on this matter to think well upon what they read in this paper and to take everything in with consideration as to its source. All media does have a natural bias, because it comes from biased humans. The staff writers of the Collegian are rarely to never a part of Greek life, and some (though not all) do not have the most balanced view of it. And that is all I have to say about that.

^^That last paragraph gives me a good idea for a thread.

Sometimes it also comes down to proof. There can be rumors (or stories or suspicions or gut feelings) that are known /felt by students, faculty, or administrators around campus. It can be more challenging to get to the details and have proof. I have seen this on quite a few campus, with chapters of varying strengths and sizes. Sometimes one seemingly isolated incident can just be the tip of the iceberg.

This is why I pay particular attention to what my students say (and don't say) and how they share information when in my office. You never know what you might learn!

Update Dec. 7 '09

A little more . . . from the campus paper's Dec. 7 issue online:


Excerpts:

By Caitlin Sellers and Somer Wiggins
Collegian Staff Writers
Delta Delta Delta sorority has lost its charter after its national organization found the chapter in violation of the Penn State Code of Conduct and Tri Delta Policy.

The chapter has been under investigation since Nov. 5 for "alleged hazing and risk management violations," according to a press release from the national sorority.

Delta Delta Delta sorority members who violated membership obligations will face individual sanctions and possible membership removal, but those unassociated with violations can remain unaffiliated members of Delta Delta Delta sorority, according to the release.

Deena Berger (junior-psychology), the chapter's former president, said she plans to comment in the future on the chapter's closing.

The allegations of hazing were primarily addressed by the Delta Delta Delta national sorority, said Kara Zinger, the Panhellenic Council (PHC) vice president for communications and a member of the Collegian's business division. . . .

The . . . chapter of Delta Delta Delta sorority was established in 1947. According to the press release, the sorority hopes to recolonize at Penn State in the future.

Affinity Public Relations President Karina Shaver . . . said there is currently no set timeline for the sorority's return to Penn State.

She said the PHC is not looking toward adding a new chapter of a national sorority to Penn State as a result of Delta Delta Delta's disbandment.

. . .
About two weeks ago, several members of Delta Delta Delta sorority created Trilogy, an independent organization, . . . . Trilogy will keep the sorority's original THON pairing with Kappa Delta Rho and the same Four Diamonds family. . . .

Delta Delta Delta's former members will also continue to live together in their dormitories next semester, Shaver said. Their residence will no longer be considered a sorority floor, and the chapter meeting suite will no longer be used by the students. . . .

So in other words, they're still going to do THON (this is a huge huge HUGE deal) and they're still going to live together. But they're not going to be paying national dues or have any national or Pahellenic rules to follow.

Mmmmmmmmmmmmkay. There may be a shortage of waffles at the Eggo factory but there apparently is none at Penn State. :rolleyes:

I knew a girl in this chapter. She graduated two years ago, I don't speak to her but I really wish I knew her thoughts on all this!

I think that the Delta Delta Delta national is going to have decide pretty quickly whether they consider this group an informal continuation which wiil eventually bring Delta Delta Delta back to Penn State or a group whose existance will keep Delta Delta Delta from returning to Penn State as long as it is active.

I wouldn't want to try to return the Sorority to the school as long as these girls (and those they recruit!) consider themselves to be the true Delta Delta Delta's on campus.

This is what I was thinking.

How would they still be able to participate in school-sponsored functions (ESPECIALLY something as huge as THON), and not be a recognized organization? If this occurs, I think there might be some hostility from the other groups.

Is this a decision that was made by the school AND the national organization collectively?

Hmmm. Another update in the school paper -- this one addresses the THON issue (at least somewhat) and says that 61 members of the now-closed Tri Delta chapter resigned from Tri Delta, apparently at least in part due to their feelings about how THON participation.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...o_inquiry.aspx

Something interesting about all this (interesting to me, anyway) is that this new "Trilogy" organization was reportedly (in a previously-mentioned news story) formed before the Tri Delta chapter was officially closed. The resignations were, reportedly, also prepared prior to the official closure. My tentative conclusion is that many members of the chapter essentially saw clear signs of the upcoming handwriting on the wall -- the closure was probably not a startling development once the investigation got under way.