"this was after the whole greek system down fall with the Courtney Cantor incident im sure you all know about"

What's this? There is a girl who I know that is pledging and her name is courtney cantor... hummm....

mr belvidere
 

I remember a mr. belvidere episode where this happened. chad lowe played the older brother - forgive me cant remember the name - and his fraternity had a "pig party," Anyone else see the episode?

that scared me to death bout a greek system - havent encountered anything like that in real life though

It's another Courtney Cantor. The one UMgirl referred to was a student at UM, a pledge of a sorority a few years ago, who unfortunately fell to her death. :(

Good memory!! This is the episode you are talking about.
"THE INITIATION "
Because of Kevin's desire to join a Fraternity, he agrees to wear women's clothes and to bring the worst looking girl to the frat party called the annual "Bowser Ball".
Guest stars Nancy Cartwright, the "voice" of Bart Simpson

LMAO :D

33girl, you would have to go there :) Man, I love you :)

If I remember correctly, there was also a Married...With Children episode that dealt with a similar theme. I think there was some society for smart people, and they had a contest to see who could bring the dumbest date, so Kelly got invited. Does this ring a bell with anyone?

We did something once called "Screw Your Sis" - the idea was that we had a date function where your big sister/little sister would pick a date for you, just like a blind date, and you wouldn't know who your date was until you arrived at the party. We all joked that we were going to "screw" each other with terrible guys, go hunt down sisters' ex-boyfriends, etc. but of course we just picked fun guy friends we had or in a few cases, guys that we knew our big/little had crushes on. The excitement was definitely in the fact though that you were really afraid of being "screwed" with a bad date. Although, even having your crush know you like him so publicly could be a little embarrassing I suppose, at least you know he can't hate you if he agreed to come!

We had screw your sister date parties as well. They were so much fun :) But nobody really got screwed, although we'd say "I'm going to find that hideous guy you hooked up with that one night at XYZ!". I know, that's harsh, but we were college kids then. In the end, we always ended up with someone we liked, and nobody really screwed anyone :) It was also really helpful for the shy girls who would never ask a guy they liked to a party. Always a good party!! I recommend it to any sisterhood who is totally cool with each other. I wouldn't advise you to do it if you have dissention in the ranks though...could get ugly :eek:

I know I might make myself unpopular for saying this but...

Ugh! This is sad. With all the uncertainty, hate and strife in the world that a party might be considered less successful because ugly girls ("pigs") dared to show up--Oh the horror!

Jen

third world thursdays
 

I was talking to alumni during homecoming and they used to have Third World Thursdays where the ugliest sorority would come over and party with us and the guys would throw money in to a pot and whoever hooked up withe the ugliest girl would win that money. Them crazy alumni

Well, a Fraternity chapter isn't doing itself much good socially if it becomes known as a group that almost always has get togethers with predominantly less attractive females. I have seen that happen and it can get to the point where you'll never see a really attractive girl show up and stay. Average girls become Goddesses at those parties.

Reputation is still a factor even in college.

I have to say that this is some of the most offensive stuff I have ever read. What is up with these guys that they are so insecure and pathetic that they feel the need to have "pig" parties or wristbands or whatever, where they are objectifying women and treating them with absolutely no respect? While such behavior is inexcusable, I don't understand why the women don't get smart and REFUSE to hang out with fraternities whose members engage in such activities. Even if you are in a "hot" sorority, you aren't doing anyone a favor by hanging out with such bottom feeding losers who would act like this toward ANY women, even if not to you. Why is it that these "men" need to constantly judge women based only upon appearance? What are they missing in their own lives -- self esteem, maybe?

I have always believed in a "sisterhood" of ALL women; whether you are attractive, popular or whatever, we all should stick together and refuse to be treated like this. Disrespect to one of us is disrespect to us all.

This kind of stuff makes me so mad. I hate to think of the harm done to the self esteem of young women by the real pigs. Grrr. :mad:

James: I hear what you're saying, and understand where you're coming from. It's the tone of his (madmax's) message that bothered me most. Ordinarily I would decline to post on such a topic, but yesterday it just struck me the wrong way. :)

Jen

You know what?
 

Personally I think that stuff like this goes too far - "Don't treat women like objects! We should band together and destroy this misogyny!"

OK . . . now, let's be honest. There are arbitarty standards of beauty in the world, and there's no way to refute this. Everyone is held to them.

The problem only arises when you make inferences as to a person's worth based upon his/her physical beauty - NOT when you compare people on subjective (or even objective) bases.

Let me draw the line in the sand for you all: THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BLESSED WITH MORE PHYSICAL 'BEAUTY' THAN OTHERS! - and another key facet - we don't need to deny this! It's not a problem to say "I'm less attractive (physically) than someone else" - this mumbo-jumbo crap that everyone has to eliminate arbitrary standards of physical attractiveness is absolutely ridiculous.

The key: learn to use other standards to judge people's worth. Everyone has value, and has something to offer - just don't make the judgement on what that is, or to what extent, based on attractiveness.

The societal dimension that has moved toward elimination of arbitrary standards of beauty is sorely misguided - how about instead we move toward an emphasis on the rounded individual, an emphasis on judging people in every way and not just in a few? This way, we remove the stigma based in looks - realistically, few people become depressive, anorexic, or exhibit signs of any other disease based solely on looks, etc. It's a worth issue - with which, in principle, physical attraction should have little to do.

So if you want to say that these men are 'pigs' for judging women based upon how they look, well, I'll respectfully dissent - they are pigs for using this as a value judgement, but not for using it as a comparative measure.

Few would get pissed if I said that Linus Pauling was an inferior scientist when compared to Isaac Newton, just like I wouldn't be upset if someone told me that I couldn't long jump as far as Carl Lewis in his prime.

Could you allow that arbitrary standards of beauty are nearly the same things? Let these guys have their "pig parties" - i think it's hypocritical to call them names for doing something we all do normally, and that is compare people based on attributes - chances are they're not doing this for the right reasons, but it's their responsibility to do this. "Looks" are the only attribute people try to make "off-limits" for discussion - I say, allow it in its fullest, just make sure it's utilized for the right reasons, and that 'value' judgements are reserved for the whole person. While the attitudes exhibited at the "Pig Party" may be immature, I'll venture to say so would be any movement to try to prevent the use of physical attractiveness as a tool for comparison between people.

Just like I can say, "You know, I really like Monet's early works far better than 'Water Lillies' . . . ", it's allowable that one can say "Rob, you're just not as physically attractive as Tom Cruise." That's certainly allowed.