If we're following Robert's Rules- consent.

Has someone been watching "Greek"? IKI, anyone?

I do find "frat" offensive, as I am not looking at it from an NPHC standpoint. However, "would you call your mother a moth" is the saying I prefer.

I think it's only offensive depending on the context and intonation of the spoken word. On the intarwebs you don't really get the intonation. "The C-Word" is always offensive.

That's certainly a better comparison in that it avoids obscenity, but it still doesn't really work -- apples to oranges instead of apples to kumquats, maybe.

You wouldn't call your country . . . well, you know . . . because the shortened form has a specific (and offensive) meaning in and of itself, not because it is inherently disrespectful to shorten the word country. Likewise, "moth" is a word that has meaning all on its own. ('Course, my mother had an uncle that everyone simply called "Unc." And we used to refer to parents as "rents" all the time.)

"Frat," on the other hand, has no meaning apart from being a shortened form of "fraternity." It is comparable to calling a dormitory a "dorm," an organization an "org" (as is frequently done on GC), a refrigerator a "fridge" or the University of Pittsburgh "Pitt." The only difference is that "frat" has, over the last three or so decades, acquired a negative connotation in the view of many.

I'm old enough to remember when lots of fraternity men used phrases like "the dear old frat" and nobody gave the word a second thought. I'm like agzg -- I only take offense to the term if it seems that offense is intended.

But like I've said before, the "would you call your ____ a ____" reasons for not saying "frat" are just plain annoying and stupid. How hard is it to sound credible and reasonable by just saying "Frat has connotations we don't like. We're fraternity men, not frat boys"?

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Begins by finding a small group of sister before thinking about the house!
Our chapters are new and that is what we do.
(sorry for my english)

I watch and love "Greek", but don't think I could really be compared to Frannie and IKI because there are no other sororities we are competing with because, well... there are no other sororities at my school at all ;)

P.S. Cappie and Casey <3

Third.

in all my many hours of lurking on GC, i've never seen anyone who says that crap give a logical explanation behind it. perhaps because there is none.

Ummm....I think you missed the point of the reference. It is not about competition but rather the idea of simply buying a house and starting a sorority in that order. Most normal greek organizations start out as a group of people (common interests, bond, etc) and then progress to eventually getting housing after established, not the other way around. . . .

And have you even considered the insurance issue with regard to risk management????????