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Elephant Walk 01-09-2009 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1763290)
I can't say you're not correct, depending on the school, but what else would you have them do? With all the responsibilities and regulations they have to carry as a national org, how else can they respond to this kind of nonsense?: [/I]

I realize that.

But there has to be alternatives to a program which, from what I understand, takes no knowledge of the fraternity to actually join. Among other problems with it, including bidding everyone.

edit: I was reading my Divine 9 book (the one by Lawerence Ross...it's not very good) and a respected Kappa Alpha Psi named Travis Smiley said:

"That we have to do something about the ongoing incidence of hazing, while at the same time, maintaining some type of pledge system, which allows the old heads, the old school members to have respect for the new system. It's one thing to do away with hazing, which I'm all for and it can't happen fast enough for me, but it is another thing to radically restructure the pledge process to the extent that the old heads don't give the new initiates any respect."

moe.ron 01-13-2009 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1763296)
I realize that.

But there has to be alternatives to a program which, from what I understand, takes no knowledge of the fraternity to actually join. Among other problems with it, including bidding everyone.

That is wrong. Maybe not be a fan of BMP, but to say that BMP members has no knowledge of the fraternity is false.

Elephant Walk 01-13-2009 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by moe.ron (Post 1764799)
That is wrong. Maybe not be a fan of BMP, but to say that BMP members has no knowledge of the fraternity is false.

That may be quite true but it doesn't take any to join.

magichat 01-13-2009 12:41 PM

By join do you mean accept a bid or go through initiation and be received into full membership?

Elephant Walk 01-13-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by magichat (Post 1764904)
By join do you mean accept a bid or go through initiation and be received into full membership?

Initiation.

I realize that there are some not so BMP chapters, but the amount of knowledge that they learn about their fraternity is seriously lacking from personal experience (which doesn't make the whole of truth, I realize)

VandalSquirrel 01-14-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1765018)
Initiation.

I realize that there are some not so BMP chapters, but the amount of knowledge that they learn about their fraternity is seriously lacking from personal experience (which doesn't make the whole of truth, I realize)

The SigEps I've met recently are from BMP chapters, and I've been impressed with their knowledge of their own fraternity, as well as other fraternities and even sororities. Maybe that's because we've had a lot of snow days that prevented us from getting to the slopes so they were inside reading?

moe.ron 01-15-2009 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1765018)
Initiation.

I realize that there are some not so BMP chapters, but the amount of knowledge that they learn about their fraternity is seriously lacking from personal experience (which doesn't make the whole of truth, I realize)

You are wrong once again. Read about the BMP program straight from our website. If the chapter doesn't follow it to the teeth, it's not the fault of the program, but the chapter.

Again, I'm not a big fan of it. I think it has some great points which can be used to integrate into the pledging model.


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