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DaemonSeid 10-22-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1734300)
Thanks for the links the articles are pretty interesting.

As a general matter, does it matter if a candidate's ancestors owned slaves? I mean, for me, as a white male living in New England, it doesn't really matter much, but I'm not exactly qualified to speak for others.

Most whites don't like talking about slavery...because why should they be held accountable for what their ancestors did?

MysticCat 10-22-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 1734281)
Didn't most white families who lived in America own slaves at some point?

No. While it might be true that most white Americans today whose ancestors came here long enough ago could find at least one slave-owning ancestor in his or her family tree, most white families did not own slaves.

To give one snapshot: According to the 1860 Census, about 25% percent of families in the 15 states where slavery was legal owned slaves. (Meaning about 75% of families in those states did not own slaves.) Per that same census, this translated into about 8% of all white American families owning slaves.
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Or why DID Obama change his name from Barry to Barack if he is not Muslim or ever was....
He didn't change his name; his name has always been Barack, just like his father for whom he is named. Barry was a nickname -- it's no different from the kid Tommy deciding to be the adult Thomas (or Tomás).

KSig RC 10-22-2008 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1734304)
Most whites don't like talking about slavery...because why should they be held accountable for what their ancestors did?

Well, this is actually an entirely different thread, and doesn't really address ksig's point at all (should we care of McCain's distant family owned slaves? Why or why not?) . . . Although you might have been joking, in which case, as always, I'm an idiot.

DaemonSeid 10-22-2008 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1734362)
Well, this is actually an entirely different thread, and doesn't really address ksig's point at all (should we care of McCain's distant family owned slaves? Why or why not?) . . . Although you might have been joking, in which case, as always, I'm an idiot.

actually, I was being sarcastic...and this thread is actually a Thread to Nowhere

KSig RC 10-22-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1734384)
actually, I was being sarcastic...and this thread is actually a Thread to Nowhere

Then I'm completely on your side here, DS

Phrozen1ne 10-22-2008 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1734270)
Has anyone checked whether or not Obama's family owned slaves?


They probably did. Sooooooooo what's your point?

Phrozen1ne 10-22-2008 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1734296)
actually right about now...this whole thread is pointless.




Same reason why James Earl Carter is Jimmy and Richard Cheyney is a Dick.


LOL

PM_Mama00 10-22-2008 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1734305)
No. While it might be true that most white Americans today whose ancestors came here long enough ago could find at least one slave-owning ancestor in his or her family tree, most white families did not own slaves.

To give one snapshot: According to the 1860 Census, about 25% percent of families in the 15 states where slavery was legal owned slaves. (Meaning about 75% of families in those states did not own slaves.) Per that same census, this translated into about 8% of all white American families owning slaves.
He didn't change his name; his name has always been Barack, just like his father for whom he is named. Barry was a nickname -- it's no different from the kid Tommy deciding to be the adult Thomas (or Tomás).

Thank you. I did not know that.

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1734304)
Most whites don't like talking about slavery...because why should they be held accountable for what their ancestors did?

Because my ancestors were poor and lived in Sicily, therefore more than likely did not own slaves. They did their own dirty work. So no, most whites shouldn't have to be held accountable for what their ancestors did, because alot of them didn't own slaves!

Kevin 10-22-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Phrozen1ne (Post 1734656)
They probably did. Sooooooooo what's your point?

That this whole line of questioning/thinking is beyond pointless.

Phrozen1ne 10-23-2008 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1734686)
That this whole line of questioning/thinking is beyond pointless.

Then, why comment? That seems pointless too.:confused:

Phrozen1ne 10-23-2008 12:17 AM

Forget a census, that fact that any person owned slaves ,whether the owners were black or white is disgusting.

Kevin 10-23-2008 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Phrozen1ne (Post 1734712)
Then, why comment? That seems pointless too.:confused:

I can't comment because I find the entire concept of the thread to be ridiculous?

It is just as relevant as to whether McCain's family owned slaves 150 years ago as it is whether Obama's ancestors owned slaves or participated in the slave trade.

KSig RC 10-23-2008 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Phrozen1ne (Post 1734715)
Forget a census, that fact that any person owned slaves ,whether the owners were black or white is disgusting.

You're right.

This is still a false dilemma (in reference to this thread).

DaemonSeid 10-23-2008 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1734737)
I can't comment because I find the entire concept of the thread to be ridiculous?

It is just as relevant as to whether McCain's family owned slaves 150 years ago as it is whether Obama's ancestors owned slaves or participated in the slave trade.

pssst.....check back at post 14....get the picture and move on.

Phrozen1ne 10-23-2008 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1734737)
I can't comment because I find the entire concept of the thread to be ridiculous?

It is just as relevant as to whether McCain's family owned slaves 150 years ago as it is whether Obama's ancestors owned slaves or participated in the slave trade.

Your welcome to comment because this is a free country and you have rights, or so they say. If you think that this is pointless, why waste time stating such. As for the slave topic please refer to post 26, thanks.:)


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