No, silly girl, you should be wearing this.

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

I obviously don't know if you're fat or drunk, but statements like this make a prima facie case of stupid.

I heart your posts, MC!! You know I click in every time I see your name on a thread, right? (is that technically cyber-stalking? woops :o:p)

But none of the things you described are social situations, right?

And there's no reason that they couldn't be done in old Khakis as easily as old jeans and a t-shirt.

I think you guys are taking this to absurd deliberately.

I've got to disagree with the sasquatch post about jeans as well. I was taught all growing up how to dress in every situation and to say that you shouldn't wear jeans or a t-shirt past the age of 22 is ridiculous. I own and wear as much Brooks Brothers, Ben Silver, J Press, Polo, Bill's, Barbour, etc. etc. as the next person..........but I still find plenty of occasions to wear jeans too. I wear T-shirts to concerts and to fish in, when I'm not wearing a PFG or other fishing shirt, all the time.

Honestly, I've been to schools and visited fraternities all over the South, many being some of the best on their respective campuses, and seen plenty of guys wearing jeans. I don't think the people that refuse to wear anything but khakis are overrepresented at all. I see the jeans, blazer/sport coat, and button up with loafers look all the time.

Would you wear jeans and a t-shirt to rush though?

I think that's where the advice came up.

And as I said earlier, I suspect there are more adult non-redneck guys in Texas wearing jeans than there are in the Southeast.

I don't think it's unusual for college guys any place to wear jeans in their day to day lives in casual situations, but I don't think they are still doing in very much once they are out of school and in professional jobs in the southeast.

Or she should just have a man do it. ;)

No. You shouldn't wear that to Rush.

........and I understand not wearing jeans because of your professional job.

Really? He's the one who said: "[A]fter undergrad, it's time to hang [jeans] up unless you're on the farm or something. Other than that, jeans should not be worn by those older than, say, 22. T shirts are the same IMO. They're ok to wear to class while an undergrad, but only to class, and you should still have a collar on your shirt 95% of the time. After college, T shirts are unacceptable (even for running to the store real quick) unless working out." (My emphasis.) He didn't limit his advice to social or professional situations, where he would have had a valid point -- he said that if you're over 22 and not working on a farm, you shouldn't be wearing jeans, and that tee shirts are similarly "unacceptable" unless working out. That = stupid in my book. Where I live, we laugh at people who follow rules like that.

Aww. No worries. It's not cyber-stalking -- it's Race preparation. Undertstanding how your race partner thinks and all. ;)

Well, maybe he'll come back and weigh in, but it seems to my that if you're willing to make exceptions for the farm and the gym, you're probably making exceptions for floor stripping and house painting.

I think the store example is kind of extreme myself, but the idea that T-shirts and jeans are kind of for kids doesn't seem that weird, but again it probably depends a lot on where you live and what kind of event you mean.

ETA: when I jumped in, I was really just trying to warn people off of cargo shorts and T-shirts for rush. I wasn't trying to say that nobody in the south wore jeans ever. When I was in school, fraternity guys wore jeans a lot*, but they probably dressed up a little more than that for going out socially, unless it was to see a band.

*but I doubt the same guys I went to school with still wearing them a lot socially now that they are in their 30s. As a type, they've moved on and don't often get that casual, I'd guess.

Possibly. What I'm laughing at (and I am laughing at it) is the suggestion that people over 22 should essentially never wear jeans or tee shirts in public (unless that public place is the gym). I've been to quite a few social occasions where jeans are acceptable -- expected, even. Tee shirts, too. Folks around here tend to think that people who never wear jeans or tee shirts in public are wound way too tight.

Context is everything.

You know...I have several cousins [male] in Georgia, and I will say I don't think I've EVER seen them wear jeans. Even when camping...it's always khakis.

Yeah, I'm sure it's probably regional. I don't think the guys who belong to the group I mean even think about it and wouldn't probably think about it as a fashion rule; it's kind of anti-fashion really. They just get to a stage when a polo and khakis is dressed down enough for most of their casual activities. I don't think there's a comfort difference between jeans and khakis, really.

And I don't think the guys I mean are the kind of folks who pay a lot of attentions to clothes and brands anyway; they're just kind of traditionalist and would notice if someone was wearing something trendy or inappropriate.

As far as I know, there's no ceremony that takes place upon the 23rd birthday removing jeans from closets.

I can't really think of any events for which jeans and t-shirts would necessarily be expected down here, but I can imagine there'd be some in the west.

^^^ I see what you're saying, and I completely agree that what's accepted/expected varies from region to region. (BTW, I don't know if you were thinking about me when you speculated about jeans and tee shirts "in the west," but I'm in North Carolina.)

As for a comfort difference between jeans and chinos, there's a definite comfort difference in the summer. :D

And on that note, FantASTic, when we go camping between June and September, we wear chinos (or shorts) as well. Otherwise, everyone is in jeans.

Oh well, it's late and I need to go take my jeans off and get ready for bed.

I wear jeans even at my advanced age in Georgia as well, but I wouldn't wear them to a social event typically.

I did think you were in Denver for some reason, but I was really just thinking about places and events for which jeans be actually be expected on adults, not just acceptable. Rodeos for sure, maybe chili contests or huge BBQ events, and chuck wagon cook offs? In the west, I think you can wear jeans anyplace almost, especially if you are an actual rancher.

What would you say they are expected at in North Carolina, in the sense that you'd seem like you were wound too tight if you showed up in something else?

Hunting, fishing, camping sure, but I can't think of much that would be primarily a social event.

It's been kind of interesting to think about.