LBC3

I think you've got your legal terms wrong. In most states "hazing" is illegal, so the "process" you speak of may be the illegal thing of which you speak.

As DeltAlum said, we both have and are still working with our Fraternitys and Chapters. Both have been doing so for many years to try to keep our chapters on the up and up. As has been seen, many GLOs have lost chapters because of hazing.

You may disagree with anything that we say and if you do, feel free to haze away.

When something may, can, and will happen, please remember some of the words from this site and thread.

Stupid, is still stupid.

Good luck.

70 plus years and 0 hurt pledges i think that shows exactly how dangerous "Hazing" is

Zero hurt? Have you read this, or any other thead , on risk management? Just may be the case for you. Or just what you are aware of at your chapter at your school at the time you have been there.. And do you know what happens, or what has happened at your school or other chapters there?

As Delta and Tom ( and others ) have written, it is only a matter of time.

I have read all of these comments and yes, some of the SOP's that I when through could today be considered on the very outer egde of hazing. But the larger problem for GLO's and all other social, living, or activity related groups is that it only takes one very small group to do something or have something happen to cause problems for everyone else. And since the barn door is already wide open, there are so many eyes on all the groups and so many hands ready, and willing, to shut us down. Or place many controls on us.

It depends on what you are doing....period. There are plenty of ways to haze that don't involve things being dangerous or life threatening.

Brother
I agree with you on that.

However, as we have too often seen or heard, matters can and have gone too far.

Which is why Hazing is currently looked at ( even talked about here as well as other places ) with a very big, broad brush rather than a small, fine point. And for those following the Florida thread, even the State Leg. made a mess of their "ground breaking" anti-hazing law.

As I have indicated several times, some of what could have been looked on as positive learning and bonding experiences back in my day can now be looked at as possible Hazing violations.

Agree....I think just about everything that my father did during pledgeship when he was an SAE at Texas would be considered hazing now. We have it easy compared to them......

Make me GAG. The PC of some of these people make me sick.

"LBpc30 70 plus years and 0 hurt pledges i think that shows exactly how dangerous "Hazing" is "

Your history PROVES you are doing it right. KEEP it up!!!

Semper FI

I am a newly initiated brother at Kappa Sigma and through my pledging process we had to go through a Anti-Hazing Seminar. Basically stating the Universities stand on Hazing.

Hazing is against many Universities Policies and Against Many States Laws now. I know that Kappa Sigma takes a strong stance against hazing by stating: "Any Chapter found guilty of Hazing will be subject to the Executive Committe being exspelled, and the chapter being fined $5,000."

Our University also states that if found guilty of hazing that our Charter may be revoked.

Hazing may been seen as correct for such organizations as Police, Fire, Military. Yet it does not build Brotherhood/Sisterhood but a false confidence in the active brothers that they may have control over a pledge during the Pledging Process. Yet once these pledges become brothers/sisters than what will happen of that?

Sororities just don't do that, I think. They definitely don't do it here. Our new members get gifts instead of being hazed. I hear about the guys hazing, but I've never heard of any really bad stories, and most of it fits under hazing if you take the definition we have: anything the new members have to do that the initiated members do not. I have heard their side of it, and I see how SOME of it makes sense, but on the other hand I don't see how you're supposed to trust your brothers when they were doing bad things to you.

Hazing isn't always "bad."

Hazing is terrible, it should not be done under any circumstance. I think people should accept their bid, walk through the door and get their letters.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Why would I be sarcastic about this topic?

You are an idiot. Seriously.