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I can't say anything other than EXACTLY!!! Very well said. Seems pretty simple, doesn't it? Conservatives have really done a number on America by making it seem like this ideology is somehow loony or crazy. It all makes very good sense to me.
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Not conservatives, "some" conservatives. Please don't paint all of us with the same brush. There are some of us conservatives who don't think government should have its hand in everything. |
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Which is fine, but conservatives don't make the argument that we're being forced to get them, they make they argument that babies are killed as a form of birth control.
Most conservatives I know don't want school prayer. However, I don't see a problem with a student at graduation saying a prayer, or someone asking God to protect the players in a football game. Gay marriage does affect people, particularly those who are married. Say I graduate from _________ and a few years later the school starts giving out a bunch of degrees to people who didn't meet the requirements I did. That changes the meaning of the degree, doesn't it? Similar case here. People didn't get married with the expectation that gay people would fall under the same title one day. Thus by providing for gay marriage, you're lumping in their union with something they might not want to be associated with. On a side note, liberalism doesn't give everyone the freedom to do whatever they want. Liberal ideology decides that the government should invest your money for you. They decide that your money should go to public welfare causes, regardless of moral objection to them. Many of them want to restrict or eliminate my access to firearms. They think that since me or you have plenty of money, we should have to turn over more of that money to the government than other people are required to. Just a few of the reasons I'm a conservative. |
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Also, shinerbock, schools often DO change their degree requirements. Someone who got the same degree as you did ten years ago possibly did not take all the same classes as you did.
(Per your own university catalog: "Undergraduate students who have not been enrolled at Auburn University for a period of five years or more and who are returning to the same curriculum may be subject to different university, college, school, or departmental requirements than those which existed at the time of their initial entry, as well as those which existed at the program level when continuous enrollment ceased." "The following covers a number of possible situations for students who enroll at Auburn University as freshmen and for students who are transferring from another institution into Auburn. Different requirements are based on when the student first began collegiate study." ) |
Of course they are different. If I had an identical comparison that applied, there wouldnt be much of a debate.
As to whoever posted last...greekalum, of course things change. However, adding or taking away a class is quite different from changing the entire make up of what can create a marriage. I don't really think there is a debate that this substantially changes marriage, it is not merely a slight alteration. Lets say Auburn completely changed their degree programs, to the detriment and dismay of previous grads...don't you think they'd be angry about it? Perhaps they would have a valid grievance, no? What if I signed a petition, only to find that later someone had changed it, including something I had serious problems with, and my name still remained? Make all the statements you want about equality, but the fact is there are millions of couples upset at the prospect that something they value so dearly may soon include something they adamently oppose. |
How is this a detriment, though?
And universities DO perform major overhauls, at times, of their general education programs. Sometimes to make it more rigorous, sometimes to make it more current- and the complaints of past students don't change that. You seem to be confused: "there are millions of couples upset at the prospect that something they value so dearly may soon include something they adamently oppose." No one is proposing that we force gays to horn their way in on straight marriages. I don't see how two men getting married affects my marriage any more than Britney Spears' marriages have. Nothing's being taken away from me. |
You're right, Britney Spears is a detriment to marriage. However, historically marriage has always been between one man and one woman. Gay couples merely don't fit the requirement. So yes, they are "horn"ing their way in, seeing as they've not been included in marriage in the past. Granted, I don't expect you to really see this through conservative eyes, since homosexuality probably doesn't bother you. However, it does bother a lot of people, and they simply don't want their relationship with their spouse to have the same title as a relationship many believe to be wrong/sinful/whatever.
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As for same-sex marriage, as long as it’s monogamous I don’t have a problem with – what I do have a problem with is the many decrying same-sex marriage as “un-biblical” or a “sinful” all while turning a blind eye to their acceptance of divorce… or more esoterically: intolerance, hate, and war – all of which are as great or greater sins according to the Bible… but hey that just me ;) |
Where is war listed as a sin in the Bible? Also, its really annoying that people attempt to say "well you should allow this sin because other sins are allowed." Great logic there. Reminds me of the whole "we're not going after Iran or N. Korea" argument. I don't think we're gonna be able to end divorce, but its a good idea. I don't believe in divorce. Also, please enlighten us to where the hierarchy of Biblical sins is, I haven't seen that part...
As for marriage, it traditionally has been between a man and a woman, theres no debate. The huge majority of marriages have consisted of a man and a woman. |
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Hierarchy of Sins? ummm... the Commandments come to mind as the big ones, while the others mentioned by the prophets and/or in the legal sections seem somewhat lesser: God's direct words and commands, verse those passed on through his prophets. Of course my Catholic theology breaks them up in to a much more layer heirarchy of sins... but that neither here nor there (though the philosphical/theological reasoning is pretty interesting). Now as for marriage - yes there is a debate about the "traditional" make-up of a marriage - simply because the definition of marriage has changed and evolved through history: a legal/financial contract, a love-bond, a sexual/procreative agreement, and a spiritual joining - while at the present in Western society all of these are one and the same, with reference to the term marriage, one only has to look back a century and see seperate "marriages" in terms of definition. |
Which is fine, but theres still not a debate about marriage traditionally being between a man and a woman. I just think its stupid that people say it is merely a modern change, when in reality its an enormous alteration to the very foundation of traditional marriage (Not saying you feel this way, just in general...).
As for sin hierarchy, I don't believe in it. Regarding war, it might be a sin, who knows. I find it hard to believe God would condemn all war, but who is to say...It is one of many, many things in Christianity that I don't know, and I'm ok with that. |
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