Re: History
 

Take this bit of advice. Everything you say here reflects on your letters. Even if you don't understand that, think about your other chapters. You're going to get people upset with some things you're saying.

-Rudey

no, it's not. clear up the confusion?

Re: Re: this is ridiculous
 

first thing we've ever agreed on.

Re: History
 

and bullshit like this sets us back.

Re: Re: Re: this is ridiculous
 

LOL, I hadn't realized that I ever disagreed with you.

I think we are all getting off the real issue here. The reason why this thread was originally started. Myself included. Everyone has different opinions about this situation. And most likely their opinions won't be persuaded. There willl always be someone to takes offense to any actions taken by others. but it's a sham ethat the only ones that get paid attn to are the ones about race. We live in the year 2004. I thinks it's time to put the past behind us and try to think of ways to better ourselves as people in the future. But we can't do this, if we only continue to divide ourelves.

Re: Re: Re: Re: this is ridiculous
 

well, in this thread

we can put the past behind us if shit like this stops. yeah, we do live in 2004...you think people would learn by now.

i hear you pike. I think this whole thread is a sad example of how we are still divided. Blackface is not acceptable to, and I believe you that they weren't trying to be racist. But it just shows that we're not familiar with history, and they really didn't know that African-Americans (and others for that matter) would find this offensive - which again, is really sad, especially if they have people of color in their chapter. Those people of color probably don't even know the history of blackface, which is why they didn't find it offensive either.

Pike, I'm sorry that your org. is getting all this negativity over these two individuals.

I Y Dionysus!!!!!:cool:

I think what you are saying here is kind of true.

Intent, which we can't know has to matter. But I think it comes down more to an issue that is more sensitive to some people than others.

A statement was made earlier than these guys had to know the significance of blackface. Its been in the news, its part of history etc.

Thats not true. I have had diversity training, something that's so PC its almost not useful and its not normal study. I have a history minor and it was never mentioned. And outside of this web site I have never seen blackface mentioned in a negative way or even at all.

In fact I only have a dim recolection of really old movies having it in there, and hearing once that the mummers used to have it in their parade.

If they (the members) didn't do this with a malicious intent than the punishment and feedback far outstrips the situation. As a former chapter president I can honestly say I believe the Pike chapter failed its members by punishing them with suspension. Thats unfair.

Instituting a seminar to teach the historical significance would have been appropriate to alleviate the ignorance of chapter members, if they are indeed still ignorant after all this publicity.

Suspending the brothers because the external forces are "mad" at them, is just weak. I am seriously disapointed in their chapter president. Ultimately he is the one that is supposed to protect his members, even when they are unpopular.

Well, if such organzations are making people walk around like ducks, then ANYONE who is offended by the humiliation of ANYONE should take issue with that. However, since this type of action isn't geared toward the stereotyping and degredation of a group of people, their physical characteristics, race, ethinicity, etc. etc. etc., I really don't see what this has to do with the topic at hand, which is, since you seem to have forgotten, another white fraternity acting in a racist manner. So, your attempt at comparison has FAILED.

First you talk crap about all NIC/NPC fraternities/sororities and then when she responds inkind you start cussing and getting flustered, can we say double standard?

As for your expression I think we both brought it up because you've used it three time if not more in this thread, christ find a new phrase its not that hard.

Yeah all us racist white fraternities, I mean shoot if you join an NIC fraternity you must be racist...oops gotta go I have a Klan meeting.

PHASAD1913 IT WASN'T A RACIST MANNER. DO YOU KNOW ANY OF THESE GUYS, OR WERE YOU AT THE PARTY? JUST BECAUSE THAY ARE PREDOMINATELY WHITE MAKES THEM RACIST? SO I GUESS THE AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THEIR CHAPTER WERE BEING RACISTS TOO?