I know! I agree. I have people that have done shady things to me, stabbed me in the back etc, but I don't hate them. Hate is such a strong word, especially for people you've never met.

Thing is Jon never stood up for himself...instead he decided to cheat. He wants to not be married to Kate anymore, whatever, but to cheat on your wife and then publicly talk about how much you despise her is not "sticking up for yourself." Jon is a stupid little boy who doesn't like the idea with the idea of being a grown ass man. He can't deal with the fact that he's 33 (or however old he is) and has a family he needs to take care of. Fool hasn't even worked in a while, he took full advantage of the situation he was placed in--the same situation he's bitching about how he couldn't "deal" with it, and blah blah blah.

Having a family was what the Gosselins wanted (even though Jon wasn't too enthused with the idea of the sextuplets), and Jon decided that he didn't want that life and up and left. I seriously doubt Kate morphed into this "raging bitch" overnight. So I don't buy all of Jon's whining and complaining about how he was "verbally abused" and couldn't take it anymore.

As in most divorces, there is fault on both sides, and this case is no different. Both of these people have a TON of baggage - some of which Jon touched on when mentioning his alcoholic father, another is whatever is the situation with Kate and her estranged family. IMO, and I am sure I will be flamed for this, anyone who has relationship issues as large as these two do with their own siblings and family members, is going to have one heck of a time maintaining a healthy marriage unless they get help.

They needed marriage counseling - Jon says he has gone and she has refused. I don't know what the truth is, but at the very least, if they had gotten some sort of counseling about their own personal issues, then they might have been in an emotionally good place to work on their marital issues. As it stands, they both still need independent counseling sessions to prepare for the problems they are undoubtedly going to have with their children.

Kate is overbearing and Jon is immature. Both are selfish.

This.

For the sake of their their relationship with each other [even if they are separated/divorced] and their children, I hope that they both seek counseling. It's impossible to harbor feelings of resentment and not have it negatively affect their children.

How did they wind up with 6 kids on the 2nd pregnancy? Did she do the same procedure as Nadya Suleman (i.e. the octomom)?

I look on the soothsayer of all knowledge, Wikipedia, but it doesn't really get into the nitty gritty.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_and_Kate_Plus_Eight

Well, now we are going to have to know more info! Are you a mom who has had multiple births? I think this is pretty interesting!! :)
Hmmm...maybe I am a nerd for being interested despite my single births and impending menopausal status??:confused:

When they had one of their FAQ episodes, Jon and Kate said that they did an IUI procedure.

Freaking amen. I'm so over these castrating "women" (I don't even want to claim them in my gender).

I would never wish that on someone, on the benefit of the children. No child, no matter what age, should have to deal with hating their parents. Before this whole debacle, before Jon started acting like a douchebag, Kate treated him like crap. Maybe had they cut the show, supposedly like Jon had wanted, then it wouldn't have gotten to this point. No matter how much I dislike someone, I'd never wish them bad.

I was just thinking about their families. If it's that bad that your own family turns their back on you, and from what we've read earlier in this thread that their church did too (or that they thought badly of her? can't remember), that's pretty sad.

Jon and Kate Plus 8 is now just Kate Plus 8.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/televis...jon-kate_N.htm

I also read today that Jon has filed to have the divorce delayed 90 days. :confused:

I wonder why is he delaying? I thought he wanted out?

On CNN.com they also said that there might be a show that's just Kate, no kids. Or something like that.

I've never seen the show, but wasn't it a hit because of the kids? Or do people really care about the parents?

Yeah supposedly it's gonna be a show about Kate exploring "other interests." At least that is what it says on the link KappaMD posted. Who knows, i'm not interested in seeing any other show about Kate or Jon.

I rather the show be "Cara plus 7" or something like that, cause I just like watching the kids. And even then i can do without Maddie.

Seriously, I do not want to watch Kate date. Pass, please.

The kids are adorable but I don't think I'll still be watching. Cute kids don't make up for my disdain for Kate.

Yea, that's what I figured. I only know about these people because of their divorce. Neither one of them seem interesting at all.

But people will still watch reality shows, so I'm sure it'll be a TV favorite :rolleyes:

Jon and Kate plus Hate. (Wish I could claim credit for it - saw it somewhere)

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I like this! Poor Cara! She seems like such a quiet, Daddy's girl. I worry about her! (I know, these people are not my real friends. I need to worry about people who are actually in my life :) )

Regarding Jon's delay - I am guessing Jon has seen the terms of the divorce agreement and he is not happy!! I am also wondering whose decision it was to boot Jon off the show. That is probably cutting into his bachelor fun.

people.com

this is getting messy. .

http://www.people.com/people/article...309397,00.html

TLC has released a statement:

"We are aware of Jon Gosselin's recent statements, and remain deeply disappointed at his continued erratic behavior. He and the family were shooting as recently as last Friday, without incident, and his latest comments are grossly inaccurate, without merit and are clearly opportunistic," TLC said in a statement to PEOPLE. "Despite Jon Gosselin's repeated self destructive and unprofessional actions, he remains under an exclusive contract with TLC. Direct filming of the children has been currently suspended, pending further conversations between both parents."

I think it's funny that People calls the situation the equivalent of "that kid who threatened to take his ball and go home if he didn't get picked for the team."

I wonder if any man in his right mind would want to date her. Yeah, she might have a lot of money, but she seems like a ballbuster.

"repeated self destructive and unprofessional actions"??? Hello TLC this is the reality that is born from "reality" shows. Are they really trying to control people's lives?

And I'm sorry but this type of activity happens in real, unfilmed families whether there are children or not. TLC is just pissed that they found, and possibly ruined, the not-so-perfect family. Really though, who's family IS perfect?

Funny as in you agree with their analogy, or funny because you think it's way off base?


I actually kind of agree with their analogy. From everything I have read, it does seem that Jon wants it to end because he won't be in it. If he's cut that means his paycheck (i.e. the money he uses to spend on Ed Hardy Tshirts) will go away and he'd actually *gasp* have to get a real job.

This whole cease-and-desist order is not because he's trying to look out for his family, he just wants his cut, and if he can't get it, no one's gonna get it.

Exactly! I mean had Jon actually worried about the welfare of his kids, the separation and imminent divorce would have been the perfect outlet to cancel the show.....but noooo, he was making money, why stop that gravy train?

Of course it's about money. How else will he stay in Ed Hardy shirts?

The more I see about Jon the more I realize why Kate treated him like a dog. Because he is one.

Ain't that the truth...a channel that used to show science documentaries and now is known for trashy reality shows...karma is a bitch, TLC. You laid down with dogs and are now covered with fleas.

DEFINITELY his fault.

he was just mad because the show was going to become kate +8. i've kept on hearing how kate was such a b*tch to him, etc...and now everyone is surprised at the way he's behaving...just goes to show that there's more to a story than we may know, especially if its on tv.

Uhhhh isn't that why they started fighting in the first place? He wanted to end the show and she didn't.

And like I've said many times before, if the gender roles were switched everyone would be saying "awwww poor Kate".

GOOD FOR JON. but yeah stop spending money on Ed Hardy. I love Ed but he's gone overboard. And if Kate is so worried about making all this money for the kids, then she should stop spending so much money as well.... like on this haircut that apparently "everyone is asking for". No. Your hair looks like a retarded mullet.

Yes that is why they *allegedly* started fighting, but if you read the articles about him putting the cease and desist order on the show, not ONCE does he say it's for the kids. In fact in several of the articles, it says he was very happy doing the show. That they were filming a few days before TLC broke the news about "kate+8" and Jon was enjoying it. Then TLC says they are gonna limit Jon's role in the show and he throws a shit fit.

He is not doing it for the welfare or benefit of anyone (or anything) but Jon's wallet.

Jon Gosselin is a pathetic, spiteful, immature ass and a poor excuse for a father, IMO. What a whiny b*tch.

LOL

I completely agree! And if I thought my opinion of Jon couldn't get any worse, I read about this

Jon withdraws $230,000, leaving Kate only $1000


Whether you like Kate or not, she doesn't deserve to be left with almost no money to pay for bills or anything else she needs to keep her and the kids afloat.

I thought that at first, but I think Kate is the "octomom" they are referring to...cause she does have 8 kids.

Although I could be wrong lol