Thank god for that ;-)

Most likely they ISP'd - under Ole Miss RFM, they should have been QAd if they made it to prefs.

That is what I thought, too. I just didn't want to assume ;)

Can one of you rush-savvy ladies please help me break these numbers down in my head?? :)

Okay, so this means that 1283 girls signed up for rush but 1250 participated in the first round so 33 decided not to rush afterall, right? That's easy; I get that.

Who are the 50 girls released from the system? Are they the ones who, at some point during rush, received no invitations?

If 1250 girls went through rush and 50 girls were released and 1129 participated in bid matching, what happened to the 71 girls who were not released but didn't participate in bid matching?

And the 6 who didn't match; they probably suicided I'm guessing?

Thanks in advance for translating for this Big East gal! :)

^^^ thanks KR for asking those questions, because I'm swimming with all those numbers as well. I really enjoy when other GCers patiently explain and re-explain to this West Coast/Sonoran Desert idjit.

I would assume that 71 are women who dropped out.

Perhaps this is an easier/better breakdown

Of the 1283 registered
1250 participated in first round
33 withdrew by first round

Of the 1250 participated in first round
50 released from system prior to bid matching
71 withdrew prior to bid matching
1129 participated in bid matching

Of the 1129 participated in bid matching
1123 matched
6 did not receive a bid (ISP?)

Just to compared numbers, I was told by the office of Greek Life that 1201 were registered for 2011 recruitment. So that's an increase of 82 girls. I imagine quite a few of the ones released were because of being grade risks. They were allowed to register and go through recruitment regardless of their high school GPA but were told numerous times that if they had below a 3.0, they could be released. My daughter's roommate was released because she had a 2.8. However, another girl we know was released because of her grades after philanthropy round but then offered a snap bid on bid day.

Just to clarify, they think they were released because of grades but one can only assume that was the reason.

Several Chapters released rude PNMs. Ignoring your hostess, treating her badly, or informing her that you have already secured a bid elsewhere will get you released in a hurry.

Glad to know that, MaryPoppins. There's just no excuse for bad manners or rude PNMs!

And you'd think at a school with such a competitive rush they'd be on their best behavior. I can't fathom being rude like that.

Unfortunately, there are some girls who go into recruitment thinking they are too good for certain sororities who act snotty to the actives during the parties at those houses. What the PNMs don't realize is that ALL the sororities are good at Ole Miss, but they only listened to the "tent talk" or "status quo" sorority reputations on campus. Too bad for those girls. They missed out on experiencing what real sisterhood is all about.

Speaking of rude PNMs, a few weeks ago there was a post about a PNM and her rude (off the wall) roomate. I think she was attending Ole Miss. The thread has since been deleted. Does anyone know what happened?

:eek: :eek: :eek: - unbelieveable!

Another thing these PNMs fail to realize is that, believe it or not, we all talk to each other. And we do watch each other's backs (at least in my experience). And it's not just at the alumnae level, but at the collegiate level. Word gets around faster than the speed of light.

She said her campus had 8 chapters and Ole Miss has 9, someone suggested to me that it might have been Samford U. in Alabama. Would adore to know how that instance turned out.

Want to know also
 

So what happened to that thread about the super PNM...it was a good story and curious to know how it turned out....:confused:

The thread went way off in the wrong direction, unfortunately... I doubt it'll resurface & would be surprised if the OP comes back, although I would like to know the outcome of her rush.

Samford has 5 chapters, so it probably wasn't Samford.

I wish she would return too -- I was really looking forward to her rush story and finding out where she pledged. I doubt she will return, however, considering the criticism sent her way.

Agree that it wasn't Ole Miss. I noted in the thread when she specifically mentioned the number of chapters (which I remember as fewer than 8) that it ruled out Ole Miss. Yet, I think many of the other readers were quick to assume that she was at Ole Miss. Several even stated that "everyone" knew the school she was attending.

I just went to quote her from that thread, but guess what? Poof! It is gone. Oh well.

I wish her well.

I've sent that GC PNM a PM to check on her. Will advise if I hear back.

Here's a real conundrum. Big-Little gifting. Managing behavior and expectation in this arena is difficult at best. And across campus chapters it's just insane. Any ideas? Please discuss!

Hey, could you start a new thread on big-little gifting? I'd like to read it and put in some thoughts!

Done. It's in the Greek Life Forum.

I've never done a link on GC before, so hopefully this is correct. :confused:

AOPi has their list of new members in today's Daily Mississippian.


http://issuu.com/dailymississippian/docs/10.05.2012-small

I couldn't get Ginger's link to work... thank you for doing it, though!!

Maybe this one will work? Oct 5 Daily Mississippian

ETA: Ginger's link worked just fine on 2nd try :-} Gotta love computers!

Who's tailgating today? I am. Baking brownies and cookies.

Did I miss the new member list in the Daily Mississippian for DG?

No you didn't miss it. It has still not been published, as of today's newspaper.

OK folks, I give up. I don't know why DG's pledge class list was not published in the Daily MIssissippian, but it has been 2 weeks and it has still not been printed. I give up.

There is a somewhat interesting article in today's edition about the lack of diversity in Ole Miss Greek organizations. Considering the number of African American faces that I have seen in NPC groups over the last several years at Ole Miss, I think we are making progress. I do not know if any Caucasian women have tried to enter the process to join an NPHC organization at Ole Miss.

In April 2011, AOPi, AKA, ATO & APhiA had a dinner swap, which sounds like a great idea & opportunity to get to know each other across councils.

http://www.issuu.com/dailymississipp....12.2012-small

thetalady. Miss Bracey Harris is our Sister, and she as one of the students interviewed for the article! Bracey represented Theta very well, I thought.

Yes, she certainly did. Very proud! :)

I just looked at several pages of the most recent pictures in the "post your bid day pics" thread. In virtually all of them, there are 0, 1 or 2 black faces among 30-150 white ones from non-Southern schools. In only one photo of a small group did I see more than 10% black members. Ole Miss should not be the only school called out specifically on this issue. If it is true that "Ole Miss had explicit national policies excluding members of color for most of their history, " how do you explain the sea of overwhelmingly white faces at those other schools? This smacks of the pot calling the kettle black, if you'll pardon the pun. The reality is that it's not a Southern thing and it's not an Ole Miss thing. The bid day pictures prove that the "Whites Only" sign is still hanging at schools in the North, South, East and West.

You misquoted LowCSharp. Ole Miss didn't have explicit national policies, "most (all?) of the HW GLOs at Ole Miss had explicit national policies excluding members of color for most of their history." Those are the same organizations that are on other campuses as well.

There are greek systems in Michigan that are as racially mixed as their student population. The most racially integrated greek system I've seen is at the University of Toronto. But, I also know of campuses where the "whites only" sign, as you put it, has been gone for 30 years but the numbers of minorities who go through recruitment is still very small.

I do think there is a "chicken and egg" problem here. I don't know the solution but I think that is a good dialogue to have because I think the segregation perpetuates itself even on campuses where race wouldn't be a barrier to joining any of the NPC groups, from the membership selection perspective. When we read some of the recruitment stories of regulars on GC who went through NPC recruitment as African Americans, we see them describe the attitudes from both sides. Many of them are questioned on why they want to join a "white" sorority instead of a "black" one. And, as the article said, if you don't see people "like you" in the chapters, you may not even consider joining.

I think it is more useful to ask "How do we attract more African Americans to our organizations?" than it is to just say the "whites only" sign is still up. I think that for most chapters, that sign isn't up. Before I could say that for sure, I'd want to see numbers of African American women going through recruitment and being dropped from the process completely. Is that happening? Or are they just not coming through recruitment at all? If it is the former, shame on us. If it is the latter, then how do we change that?

While I don't have access to official statistics (and I somehow feel that there aren't many on the matter), from my observation at UGA, the lower number of African American girls in NPC sororities is more a product of the number going through recruitment at all than a result of being dropped during the process. In each of the rounds on the first 2 days, where every girl sees every house, there usually only seems to be one or two African American girls. Most of the houses seem to have about one African American girl in each pledge class. Of course, some have none and some have a few, but this is just approximation from casual observation. It seems to me that they have about the same success as the average white PNM, and the disparity is due to lack of African American interest in NPC groups rather than lack of NPC interest in African American members.

Right, but that doesn't eliminate the perception that since chapters are primarily white, they are closed minded to other races. I do think that the more integration there is, the more interest there is from minorities. Just how do we turn that around? It isn't going to change if people just accept the status quo.

The argument is that this is because of historical trends and a feeling that they would not be welcomed if they didn't act "white". As for why this is slower to turn around in the South, duh. Race relations on every front have been slower to change in the South. When I was a chapter member in the 90s in the South, there was NO way we would have bid an African American woman. Am I ashamed of that? Of course. Times change and people change. AOII was handing out bids to women of color across the North a decade earlier...I am friends with an alum sister from the Chicago area that is African Am. from the 80s. She said back then she was one of the only AA women rushing at her large campus then. The South is 20-30 years behind.

I think there is also the aspect of having a strong Black community presence on campus, and a PNM might feel like they were abandoning that and isolating themselves from it, and may not be welcomed back into it if they joined an NPC group. By this I mean there isn't only a push away coming from NPC (whether real or only perceived), but also a pull away coming from NPHC, other African-American-centered groups, or the community as a whole.
I think there is a similar phenomenon with most minority groups, in that a major factor in low numbers of minority women is the fear of isolating one's self from that community. While they may or may not feel like they have to "act white" to fit in with an NPC group, others likely perceive them as doing so just because they joined the group, not because of the way they actually act and feel towards their ethnic/cultural group.

I am being serious in asking this question, so don't all of you jump down my throat, now. Are there any Caucasian girls in the traditionally Black Greek organizations at Ole Miss? Are they allowed to participate in their recruitment?