Rather interesting question a.e.B.O.T.
And since you are willing to bet on it, will you let us know what your research finds?

One news report on this indicated that 1/4 of girls and (forgive me here, don't remember exactly what they said) 1/3 to 1/2 of boys get a broken bone sometime during childhood. That is the population at-large.

However... they also reported that many of those with broken bones in the compound were very, very young children. In other words... too young for them to happen because they fell out of a tree, etc., and thus implying abuse.

Lol, I said "I bet..." as in, I don't have research fact, as in an assumption... but does anyone else think nine percent of kids have broken a bone once in their life is not that uncommon? Now the 35 girls pregnant in a controlled society like that, well, that is suspicious. (In my high school, not so suspicious)

i'd bet they hurt the boys in more ways than just breaking their bones

Utah, Arizona say polygamist sect fled crackdowns

If Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff has heard it once, he's heard it 100 times: Utah and Arizona should have conducted their own Texas-style anti-polygamy raid years ago.


After all, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints resided for nearly a century on the Utah-Arizona border before building a compound in Eldorado, Texas.
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs...727258444/1001

Polygamous dad speaks out month after ranch raid
ELDORADO, Texas - As Richard Barlow walked eight of his children to a bus that would take them away from the YFZ Ranch, he gave each one advice.
"I spoke very freely. I said, 'Let us be at peace,' " he said.
And: "Be strong."
That was a month ago. Today his children are scattered from one end of Texas to the other and he and his wife, Susan, are desperate to see them.
Only a few men who lived with their families at the ranch, all members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, have spoken out since the April 3 raid that led to removal of 464 children because of abuse allegations. Most fear doing so will make them targets of prosecution or hamper their efforts to bring their children home.
But Barlow, 40, decided to take that risk to share how the event has torn apart his family.
http://www.sltrib.com/News/ci_9155045

States divided on approach to polygamous sect

Law officers in Arizona and Utah say their method of confronting the FLDS must differ from that of Texas.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0505/p...ju.html?page=1

The FLDS argument will not hold up

By MARCI HAMILTON
Special to the Star-Telegram


S.D. town watches polygamist sect

By William M. Welch, USA TODAY,
USA TODAY
Posted: 2008-04-28 07:16:32
Just down the dirt road that passes Cookie Hickstein's home, an isolated group of neighbors has drawn intense interest here in the sparsely populated Black Hills.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) has put roots on 140 acres of rugged territory. It is the same sect as at the ranch near Eldorado, Texas, where the practice of men taking multiple wives and allegations of sexual abuse of underage girls have sparked a custody battle over more than 400 children.

No such allegations have been made here, but local police worry about whether they can do their job when many of the people in their jurisdiction live in a closed, secretive society.

"It's difficult," Custer County Sheriff Rick Wheeler says. "They don't just open their doors. It's a locked-down operation, a locked fence. -- I don't get precise answers, and yes, that concerns me."


http://news.aol.com/story/_a/sd-town...28071609990077

Raid on Sect in Texas Rattles Other Polygamists
COLORADO CITY, Ariz. — As the supper dishes were being cleared away and the rice pudding brought out for dessert, Marvin Wyler’s two wives, along with some of their children and a group of friends, began poring over the list.
The 44-page document, from a court in Texas, gives a glimpse of who is married to whom in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or F.L.D.S. — and in the hothouse world of religious polygamy, a list like that is a sort of Rosetta Stone to the usually hidden relationships of power, politics and piety.
“We are adding up the number of men who may be going to prison,” said Isaac Wyler, 42, the eldest of Mr. Wyler’s 34 children, who was examining the list on Sunday to see which men may have had wives under the legal age when they married.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us...ss&oref=slogin

I'm not saying they have or haven't. Just saying the 9% broken bone thing seems to be a little thin in my opinion.

I have been hearing about the FLDS church for years now. A reporter for Channel 3 has actually won Emmy's for his coverage of the sect in Colorado City. His investigative reports actually led to the warrant to arrest Jeffs. He is still covering the sect today (he actually went to Texas to cover the most recent events).

Carolyn Jessup has been on our news a multitude of times. She is still helping girls escape from Colorado City.

Not to spark another religious debate in the thread, but I think the FLDS church is whacked. They are definately a cult. I feel incredibly sorry for all involved (especially the women and the children), because of the brainwashing that is occuring.

I also think the church as stooped to a new low by doing a campaign trying to show "how good" the church is. That is a bit messed up. Especially with the news coverage showing all the faults and issues within the FLDS church. One ad campaign isn't going to change the facts of what has been occuring within the church, nor do I think it will change many peoples opinions. Those children needed to be pulled out.

I agree, I'd rather see attention paid to how many boys there are versus the number of girls. Gee I wonder where all those extra boys went :(

:eek: That had not even crossed my mind until I just read this... :( Ohhhh, now I'm freaked out and worried. They better not have...:mad:

Nitt': IIRC, I have read at least one story that sort of touched on this subject.
And IIRC, graves were mentioned.
Sure link is somewhere above.

There are a lot of stories of teenage boys being removed from these compounds, dumped on city streets and told, you're going to hell, you can never come back. (well maybe if you bring a wife or two with you)

There aren't accusations that they're being killed, but it's not surprising that suicide is There are organizations dedicated to working with the "Lost Boys"
Wiki

And written about the Texas case in particular asking about why no one cares about the boys, one man said

Attorneys for Jeffs seek dismissal of incest charges
KINGMAN, Ariz. (AP) - Attorneys for polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs want an Arizona judge to dismiss incest charges in cases pending in Arizona.

The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints leader is charged as an accomplice in a Mohave County, Ariz., court. The charges stem from two arranged marriages between teenage girls and their older male relatives......
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/attorne...10124909990008

Utah sects won't be raided, attorney general says

AP
Posted: 2008-05-09 14:25:45
ST. GEORGE, Utah (AP) - A raid at the Texas ranch of a polygamous sect was no surprise given the secrecy surrounding the group, but Utah authorities would never act in a similar way, Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said.

"I know you are worried about that. We're not going to do it," Shurtleff said Thursday during a public meeting on polygamy at the Dixie Center. "We don't believe that is the answer.".....
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/utah-se...09142509990026
Letter asks Bush to help FLDS kids

A hand-delivered letter to President Bush at his Crawford, Texas, ranch asks the new father-in-law to intervene in the plight of hundreds of FLDS children and their parents.

The 10-page letter was written and delivered on Saturday by FLDS member Willie Jessop to staff members at Bush's ranch. The president and his family were at the ranch for daughter Jenna's wedding to Henry Hager. "I was not there to make a political statement or to detract in any way from the wedding," said Jessop. "I just wanted to deliver the letter. Staff members for the president took the letter, read it, and we talked about its contents. It was a cordial, sensitive meeting. They were great and said they would get back to me."
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...224855,00.html

Feds will review issues in polygamous communities

AP
Posted: 2008-05-08 13:18:46
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A federal prosecutor has been assigned to look for ways to help tackle problems associated with polygamy in Western states, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said.

"This is precisely the kind of help I believe the federal government should provide," Reid said in a letter to attorneys general in Utah and Arizona. "Your requests for federal funding to assist victims of domestic violence also merit prompt review."

Reid's letter, dated Monday, said the Justice Department can strengthen efforts to fight crime within polygamous groups.
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/feds-wi...08131809990011

Church records offer rare look inside families who lived in polygamist sect

By MICHELLE ROBERTS,
AP
Posted: 2008-05-08 20:02:27
SAN ANTONIO (AP) - Hand-scrawled records taken from a polygamist sect are helping untangle the spider-web network of family relationships at the Yearning For Zion ranch, where some husbands had more than a dozen wives.

The church records offer a peek into an intricate culture in which men related to the sect's prophet, Warren Jeffs, enjoyed favored-husband status in the distribution of wives and all young women were married by 24.

An Associated Press analysis of the records, which authorities seized in a raid last month, show that by the time a girl reached 16, she was more likely to be married than to live as a child in her father's household. The same was not true for boys.
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/church-...08200209990005

Yahweh sect may be Texas test case


12:00 AM CDT on Sunday, May 11, 2008


By PAUL MEYER / The Dallas Morning News
pmeyer@dallasnews.com

CALLAHAN COUNTY – In his first sermon after leaving jail, Yisrayl "Buffalo Bill" Hawkins was in classic form: folksy, paternal and apocalyptic.
"No, we're not getting ready to kill ourselves," said the prophet of the House of Yahweh, a barbed wire kingdom of brimstone prophecies and abject poverty 15 miles southeast of Abilene. "We're getting ready to live through the greatest tribulation that ever will be."
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...2.46f2f8b.html

Raid on ranch reverberates into Canada

The April 3 police raid of a polygamist compound in West Texas, which has mushroomed into the largest child abuse investigation in the nation's history, has unnerved polygamists across the country and into Canada. There, authorities have long wanted to halt the rituals of plural marriages and underage sex in Bountiful, British Columbia.
"Clearly, they know that the spotlight is on them," Wally Oppal, the province's attorney general, said of the approximately 3,000 residents of Bountiful, near the American border and the foothills of the Rocky Mountains.
http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/635576.html

Op-ed column: False child abuse claims must be investigated
The removal of more than 400 children from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints (FLDS) compound in Texas made front-page news for several days in April. However, a follow-up Associated Press story revealing that the phone call that initiated the raid was a hoax got short shrift.
Rozita Swinton, who has been arrested and charged with misdemeanors more than once for making false phone calls about child abuse, has been questioned by Texas Rangers and may be the person who made the phone call.
http://www.dailygazette.com/news/200...s-must-be-inv/


Probe could halt cross-border trade in young women

VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- A federal prosecutor will work with state and local authorities to end lawlessness in polygamous communities and may stop the so-called polygamy underground railway across the Canada-U.S. border.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said this week that a senior prosecutor in the U.S. deputy attorney general's office would carry out the review with the attorneys-general of Nevada, Arizona and Utah.
Reid described the problem as an "epidemic of lawlessness in polygamous communities."
Reid had previously contacted U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey to urge a review of how the federal government could help state and local authorities "tackle this complex problem."
Arizona Attorney-General Terry Goddard said yesterday that he welcomes the review, which he and others had sought three or four years ago. "The problem traditionally has been that the laws have not been enforced in these remote communities in Utah, Arizona and Nevada," he said.
"My fundamental guiding star is, there is nothing special here. They need to follow the law like anyone else and it is up to us as prosecutors to make sure it happens," Goddard said.
The Canadian government should be working with the United States on the cross-border issues, said British Columbia legislator Bill Bennett.
http://www.heraldextra.com/component...328/Itemid,53/

I had just started reading the Krakeur book before this happened. I, of course, have not been able to put it down now! Polygamy has always been a fascinating topic to me.

For more first-hand accounts, you can catch a recent episode of 'Real Lives of Women' on WE. They had a 'Polygamy Cult' episode, and it had several women who had escaped. I know that we are only hearing about the bad stories, as that is what makes the news. But, other than these brainwashed robots, have their been any 'happy' living situations? It just seems that none of these 'families' have normal, healthy relationships.

Also, regardless of how the raid happened, I'm glad that these children are out of there. It is so scary to think about what might have been going on.

Texas assesses whether sect 'girls' are adults

SAN ANTONIO -- When Texas child welfare authorities released statistics showing nearly 60 percent of the teen girls taken from a polygamist sect's ranch were pregnant or had children, they seemed to prove what was alleged all along: The sect commonly pushed girls into marriage and sex.
But in the past week, the state has twice been forced to admit "girls" who gave birth while in state custody are actually adults. One was 22 and claims she showed state officials a Utah birth certificate shortly after she and more than 400 minors were seized from the west Texas ranch in an April raid. ....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051603258.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MN2C10O0LT.DTL

Judges to Begin Separate Polygamist Sect Cases

SAN ANTONIO -- The more than 400 children, from newborns to teens, forced from a polygamist sect's sprawling ranch during a raid six weeks ago and into foster care have been treated as a single group of abused and at-risk kids.
Starting Monday, judges will filter the unruly, chaotic custody dispute into hundreds of individual cases to determine what the parents must do to get their children back or whether their parental rights will be permanently severed.
This is standard operating procedure for family court, but these are hardly standard cases. ....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051801273.html
http://www.theledger.com/article/200...KING/314820332
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...s/5788608.html