Thank you Rambler1869 for your posts. If I may, I have a few questions.

If this is true, then why has it taken from November 2008 to March 2010 to begin the process to become an RSO at FGCU?

Frankly, Kappa Sigma should have a number of alumni members that are attorneys. So if no rules were broken, then they should have been able to guide y'all through the legal paperwork rather effortlessly.

What was the specific (official) reason for the denial?

LOL

You can believe I made up the comment if you want.

It's clear that you think talking in circles and throwing a "XXX v. YYY" in your lengthy responses shows that you know what you're talking about.

If you feel that your rights have been violated, stop bitching to random usernames and take it up in court. If your argument is as strong as you think it is, you should be on FGCU's campus in no time.

Oh wow.

Formed, off campus - not using school facilities. This goes back to the heart of the issue.

You do not need to be a member of a Greek council to be a Greek organization; this is a very common misconception.

The point, was being allowed to become a Registered Student Organization; which can be outside of IFC. As you do not need to be part of the Greek Council, to be a Greek organization; IFC recognition would be the ideal route, however it isnt needed to be a fraternity on a public university. As it stands, these men were denied the right to even apply as an RSO.

If you want to be recognized by the school as a GLO and the school requires GLOs to have council membership, then yes, you do.

Look, I don't see how they are discriminating agianst you. You aren't recognized, because they require IFC membership, or at least that is what I think is the issue. However, for them to be discriminating against you, they would have to be specifically punishing you for being a member of Kappa Sigma, which they are not doing. Oh news flash, there are quite a few state organizations that run like this. No law is violated, because as I said, they are not punishing you. Hell if anything, you want them to hold you to a different standard then anybody else. That is discriminatory against them.

No.

Rambler1869:
There are a lot of institutions that will not allow organizations to charter a chapter unless they will automatically or eventually be under a Greek council. This allows all GLOs to be under an "umbrella" so that this "umbrella" (in combination with the local/regional or district/national entities of the GLOs) can keep it all in check. Then the Greek Life offices and the institutions have a context through which they can impose their rules and regulations.

People used to say that the rules and regulations of their GLOs supercede those of the institutions, but it actually works the other way around much of the time because the institutions are "allowing" them to be on that campus.

Then why the hell are you complaining about it here? What do you think we, as usernames, are going to do to change the outcome?

Again, I will ask you, do you even have any legal trianing. We have somebody who most would argue is a Constitutional scholar, telling you are talking out of your ass. You just keep saying something is illegal without explaining how it is. And I do know what I am talking about, considering I went to a state school that also require a social GLO to be recognized by our IFSC before being granted recognizance by the OGL.

I'll say it again: You still haven't answered questions asked of you.

I won't find any support, yet schools around the country practice it. All of a sudden, a group of undergrads feels they're entitled to something, and it's dead wrong.

Like TSteven said, if your rights were violated, KSig's lawyers likely would have stepped in.

They haven't.

Missed this post earlier. The reason it has taken so long; is because the school (on multiple occasions) had refused to even issue the RSO application; because of their single-gender status as a fraternity. After the news story ran; the school did issue an application that is currently in the works; however there is still debate surrounding the single-sex protection.

Kappa Sigma does have a number of alumni who are attorney's and a number of them are currently working with the FGCU legal department (outside of formal litigation) to attempt to resolve the matter peacefully; as it is our belief that neither side wants to go that route. However, please do not take that as we wont; we just believe it should be a last resort scenario. We would have much prefered the entire issue been handled peacefully; which is why its only been until fairly recently that many of you became aware of the situation at all; as we were trying to work with the school rather than against it.

The official denial (oral, not written) was that they knew it was for a fraternity, which needed IFC recognition. Please note, the individual did not say or write that the room was for Kappa Sigma. As crazy as that sounds; its unfortunately how it went down.

If I correctly understand the current situation, at this point in time, your chapter's application to be an RSO is being reviewed by FGCU. And y'all were able to give a presentation to the IFC this past March.

So would it be fair to say that progress is being made regarding recognition by FGCU as a RSO and with the IFC as an official chapter - or colony as the case may be?

And as a follow up, what was the specific (official) reason for the denial with respect to the attempt to reserve a meeting space?

Yes, they did. In February a formal notification was sent by the Kappa Sigma legal commision to FGCU, stating our position; in hopes of a speedy turn around. As I mentioned earlier; there are other talks in the works between the legal teams

I think you should tell KSigAdvisor to stop talking, as you're a better representation of your organization.

If the wheels are turning and you all are working toward getting this resolved, why is this being debated on a message board? Why not let this thing run its course?