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mccoyred 09-04-2008 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1712054)
No, I don't think that her personal life should be off limits. Obama's personal life (including his church choice and his wife's comments) was not off limits. Michelle Obama was critiqued for her comments and Palin should also be critiqued based on what she has publicly disclosed.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. As a woman, I can say that she does not need her hand held nor does she need protection. She is not a delicate flower like people like to think of her, just b/c she is a woman. We are tough. We can take it. She should be critiqued and vetted just like everyone else that has ever run for office. Do you think for a minute that John Edwards would have not been critiqued if his out of wedlock child would have come out during his run for president? Not for a minute do I believe that it would not be.

Everybody's personal life is fair game in any election.

*Besides, answer me this. Why is it ok for us to talk about two of her kids (the one in the service and the baby with down syndrome) but not the other one (the unmarried pregnant one)? SHE - yes, SP herself, is the one who keeps invoking her family but only when it gets her chips. SHE - yes, SP herself is the one who has made public statements about her 17 year old daughter.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If Obama and his family can be critique, so can Palin and her family. She.is.not.a.delicate.flower. We need to stop treating women as if we are some sort of delicate toy that will break at the first harsh or critical comment.

SC




At every instance

Agreed again. Sorry, SP and McSame, you can't have it both ways!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13143.html

abaici 09-04-2008 10:29 PM

I want the GOP to finish Palin's crash course to "How to be a Good Vice President" and let the woman speak without prepared statements. She needs to answer some questions.

I.A.S.K. 09-05-2008 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1712047)
Kay Bailey Hutchinson of Texas?? She is as about as exciting as dishwater! Can you imagine Hutchinson and McCain on stage at the same time? SNOOZE CITY :cool:

ROTFLMBO!

Did anyone else notice that JMAC doesn't have a neck? Palin was behind him and he was looking for her so he had to turn his whole body around until he was facing her before he could find her. He is just SO old!

I have a few problems with the Reps.
1. They seem to think that the 17 y/o's pregnancy can be overlooked because "From the inside, no family ever seems typical.
That's how it is with us. Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same challenges and the same joys." To this I say, NO! Your family is not like every other family. Your family is considered abnormal and disfunctional! If we are supposed to accept a vice presidential candidate who has a daughter who is knocked up and boozing at 17 then we might as well all board the Greyhound bus to Hell because that is where we are headed (I dont personally believe this, but "conservatives" do). The president and vice-president are supposed to have model families (eventhough they are not most of the time; they at least pretend to be until after the election)

2. The JMac camp played the sex card way too soon. Theyre already claiming sexism when no one has even said anything about Palin really. Most people still dont know much about who she is.

3. Although SP's speech was supposed to be "Obama-like" in the way it roused the crowd and the fact that she got so many viewers many of her comments may hurt Jmac and help Obama. For example:
And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.
This comment is supposed to help her, but it supports Obama as well. She loses credibility with this comment because He has much more experience than she does.

Another example:
The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.
No one expects us to agree on everything.
But we are expected to govern with integrity, good will, clear convictions, and ... a servant's heart.
Her running mate JMac IS the status Quo and has agreed with the creator of the current status (GWBush) 90 percent of the time. Integrity, good will, clear convictions, and a servant's heart are the EXACT ideals that Obama represents. Those are the key points in his campaign message. John McCain has never uttered a word about changing the status quo so as his running mate you saying you are running to change something that he wants to remain the same makes no sense. It also doesnt matter because the Vice President (clearly you still dont know what the VP does) doesnt make decisions. They do nothing unless the president dies.

mccoyred 09-05-2008 06:27 AM

Now that both conventions are over, what do you score them?

I score the Dems an A-. The speeches were good, the delegates were enthused and the program was sound. It was as good as it gets. The policy and platform details were kind of skimpy until the last night.

I score the Repugs a C+. They picked up the pieces after the schedule disruption and did the best they could. However, EVERYTHING seemed just so scripted and pointedly partisan and personal. Did anyone notice the green-screen-of-death again? *snicker*

mccoyred 09-05-2008 07:05 AM

Stewart nailed the hypocrisy of the Repugs and the Right Wing!

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...in-Gender-Card

ETA: Here is another good one...

http://mediamattersaction.org/palin_myths/#3

MsFoxyLoxy77 09-05-2008 07:38 AM

I'm not sorry to say that to comment on the pregnant unmarried 17 year old is a fair topic. I think it says something about your family when you preach one thing and your children do another.

More importantly, Sex has become a political issue. Whether it takes the form of gay rights, abortion, or sex education.

In Palin's daughter's case we are talking about abortion and sex education. Palin believes you should teach abstinence only before marriage and that even in cases of rape the mother should not be presented with the option of abortion. Well we all see the result. Her teenaged daughter is 5 months pregnant and about to proceed with what is probably a shotgun wedding.

So to some this may be one of the clearest examples of why they wouldn't want her to have any hand in decisions on Sex education, abortion, etc....

TonyB06 09-05-2008 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by abaici (Post 1712249)
I want the GOP to finish Palin's crash course to "How to be a Good Vice President" and let the woman speak without prepared statements. She needs to answer some questions.

hey!! you've been gone a while. welcome back. :)

SummerChild 09-05-2008 09:33 AM

Hey Soror!!! How are you? I'm living in ATL now. I'll PM you.
SC
Quote:

Originally Posted by abaici (Post 1712249)
I want the GOP to finish Palin's crash course to "How to be a Good Vice President" and let the woman speak without prepared statements. She needs to answer some questions.


mccoyred 09-05-2008 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1711731)

However, the substance of her speech as well as those of Juliani and Romney were weak. They were filled with innuendos, sarcasm, half-truths and outright lies. Wait until Politifact.com (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/) and FactCheck.org (http://www.factcheck.org/) get a hold of those speeches! The partisanship was clearly evident.


Here we go....

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_part_ii.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/

KSigkid 09-05-2008 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1712465)
Now that both conventions are over, what do you score them?

I score the Dems an A-. The speeches were good, the delegates were enthused and the program was sound. It was as good as it gets. The policy and platform details were kind of skimpy until the last night.

I score the Repugs a C+. They picked up the pieces after the schedule disruption and did the best they could. However, EVERYTHING seemed just so scripted and pointedly partisan and personal. Did anyone notice the green-screen-of-death again? *snicker*

B/B- for both - each had a couple of good speeches, but overall, the speeches were weak and it was your usual, run-of-the-mill convention talk.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1712054)
No, I don't think that her personal life should be off limits. Obama's personal life (including his church choice and his wife's comments) was not off limits. Michelle Obama was critiqued for her comments and Palin should also be critiqued based on what she has publicly disclosed.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. As a woman, I can say that she does not need her hand held nor does she need protection. She is not a delicate flower like people like to think of her, just b/c she is a woman. We are tough. We can take it. She should be critiqued and vetted just like everyone else that has ever run for office. Do you think for a minute that John Edwards would have not been critiqued if his out of wedlock child would have come out during his run for president? Not for a minute do I believe that it would not be.

Everybody's personal life is fair game in any election.

*Besides, answer me this. Why is it ok for us to talk about two of her kids (the one in the service and the baby with down syndrome) but not the other one (the unmarried pregnant one)? SHE - yes, SP herself, is the one who keeps invoking her family but only when it gets her chips. SHE - yes, SP herself is the one who has made public statements about her 17 year old daughter.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If Obama and his family can be critique, so can Palin and her family. She.is.not.a.delicate.flower. We need to stop treating women as if we are some sort of delicate toy that will break at the first harsh or critical comment.

SC




At every instance

I personally don't think any of it (Obama's church choice, Palin's children, etc.) has anything to do with the process. But, that's just me.

mccoyred 09-05-2008 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1712570)

I personally don't think any of it (Obama's church choice, Palin's children, etc.) has anything to do with the process. But, that's just me.

Ordinarily, it shouldn't UNLESS the candidate politicizes it. Obama's church is relevant because he is trying to appeal to Evangelicals and other religious/moralistic voters; I think the Black church has been unfairly demonized but it is nonetheless relevant. Palin's children are relevant because she has politicized them. Her unmarried teenage daughter is a result of the failure of her abstinence-only philosophy. Her son going to Iraq is relevant because apparently she didn't pay much attention to the 5+ year old war, the most pressing foreign policy arena of our time, until her own family was affected.

AKA_Monet 09-05-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1712697)
Her son going to Iraq is relevant because apparently she didn't pay much attention to the 5+ year old war, the most pressing foreign policy arena of our time, until her own family was affected.

Believe me, I truly dislike this war, but that boy ought to be lauded for his choice to serve in the military. More than likely that he was trying to get out of Alaska and that was one way of doing it... The only thing I hope is that he comes back relatively healthy both mentally and physically. However, I heard that is doubtful no matter how much money folks put in to the mental health system at the VA... I've heard it is not good at all. And what I am reading about the mental health research reports, these folks ain't getting nothin back...

However, the military personnel are allowed to join the peace corps if they want to see the world. And if the Palin's were so religious, how come they did not go on Missions like Mitt Romney's family members did or even the pastors at Saddleback did?

It's that hypocrisy or doublespeak again...

mccoyred 09-06-2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1712514)

The fact check on McCain's speech is now available....http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ng_mccain.html

SummerChild 09-12-2008 03:39 PM

Ok, I have been reading the transcript of the interview on ABC between Sarah Palin and Charlie Gibson and I am COMPLETELY FRUSTRATED.
Can I say that she OBVIOUSLY is an intellectual midget who does not know the first thing about what has been going on in our WORLD since who knows when. Of course, I'm not surprised now that I've foudn out that she just got a passport 2 weeks ago.

I'm floored. She knows nothing about Bush's policy, world relations. I'm just floored b/c she has the AUDACITY to be the leader of a U.S. STATE. Has she had her head in the sand for the last 8 years. She needs a simple world government class.

This is not about whether she is knowledgeable enough to be president, this is simply about whether she is knowledgeable enough to pass a World Government/Politics course. Probably not. Yet she calls herself a governor.

Take a read for yourself - notice that she never really answers any of the questions with the depth and insight that you would expect if she knew ANYTHING at all about world government. Heck, she didn't even know what Bush's 2002 strategy was. Then, when Charlie explained, she didn't even answer the question - b/c she didn't get it. The nuance was whether *preemption* should be our policy. She started talking about *imminent* threats. Clearly, if the threat is *imminent*, then this is not the case of preemption - which is what Charlie specifically asked about. I don't know. Maybe she doesn't know what preemption means. I'm not sure.

I'm frustrated. I'm an Obama supporter but geesh, McCain couldn't find anyone else? An intellectual midget indeed. Forget whether she is qualified to be VP or President. I'm starting to wonder if she's qualified to be governor. Somebody PLEEEEEEEASE get her a crash course in World Government.

http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/minor/20...erview-on-abc/

Edited to Add: And I just found out that she went to 6 colleges in 6 years to get her Bachelor's. Maybe the World Government class slipped through the cracks with all that. She LOOKS so intelligent...until she opens her mouth. This is starting to feel real familiar.... (Bush 3?) I'm frustrated.

WenD08 09-12-2008 04:14 PM

i think what's really interesting is that her supporters like her b/c she's "just like me". i've heard a number of people say this. plus these are the same folks who call Barack Obama an "elitist" and "uppity" (ie. he forgot his place:mad:) due to his education but not sarah palin. she's just a regular person. the same was said about bush (remember he's the one folks would like to drink a beer w/except for the fact that he was a recovering alcoholic:mad:).
wwhen it's all said and done, we'll have had 8 years of a "regular guy" (w/Yale and Harvard degrees and from a politically connected family). his C-average has us in terrible shape as a nation.
we just can't afford her 5 schools in 6 years or mccain's 5th from the bottom rank of his graduating class:rolleyes:

SummerChild 09-12-2008 04:33 PM

Soror, I agree.

I mean, and I'm still just *completely floored*. I can't believe it. Who would have thought that she would be so ignorant of world issues...or even our own government's policies. What really kills me is that, even sitting all of that aside, she just didn't "get it" when Charlie was asking her about preemption. Even when he spelled it out for her, her answer clearly showed that she was not smart enough to think on her feet. None of her answers showed any thoughtfulness whatsoever.

I'm just completely floored. Does she run Alaska like this? Couldn't McCain have at least found someone who has been governor for 1.5 years AND who knew anything about world government???? She clearly didn't even know what Charlie was asking her about half the time. Anybody who reads the daily or weekly newspaper may have had more of a clue than her. What was that about being able to see Russia from Alaska? What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Her ignorance just astounds me.

The entire thing was filled with platitudes. Half the time, she didn't even answer the question. I would feel more at ease if I thought that she was just AVOIDING the question. What worries me is that I *think* that she *thought* that she was actually ANSWERING the questions.

She's too ignorant to recognize her ignorance. Either that, or there's alot of "hubris" in the air. Wouldn't be the first time. I'm waiting for her to start pointing into the camera and threatening other countries next....

SC



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Originally Posted by WenD08 (Post 1716690)
i think what's really interesting is that her supporters like her b/c she's "just like me". i've heard a number of people say this. plus these are the same folks who call Barack Obama an "elitist" and "uppity" (ie. he forgot his place:mad:) due to his education but not sarah palin. she's just a regular person. the same was said about bush (remember he's the one folks would like to drink a beer w/except for the fact that he was a recovering alcoholic:mad:).
wwhen it's all said and done, we'll have had 8 years of a "regular guy" (w/Yale and Harvard degrees and from a politically connected family). his C-average has us in terrible shape as a nation.
we just can't afford her 5 schools in 6 years or mccain's 5th from the bottom rank of his graduating class:rolleyes:


Honeykiss1974 09-12-2008 04:37 PM

Has anyone heard about GOP women's group boycotting Oprah because she won't have Palin on until after the election (We all know that Oprah is Obama's #1 supporter)? Interesting...and Oprah BETTER NOT back down!

And seriously.... Palin does not impress me at all! McCain's choice in her pretty much solidified who I will be voting for in November. Whoever advised him to pick her with the hopes of grabbing disgruntled HRC supports needs to be whipped with the long skinny switch from the bush in the backyard.

ETA: Ok for real....this isn't a satire interview blog???
excerpt:

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.

I.A.S.K. 09-12-2008 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1716658)
Ok, I have been reading the transcript of the interview on ABC between Sarah Palin and Charlie Gibson and I am COMPLETELY FRUSTRATED.


http://blogs.thetimes.co.za/minor/20...erview-on-abc/

Edited to Add: And I just found out that she went to 6 colleges in 6 years to get her Bachelor's. Maybe the World Government class slipped through the cracks with all that. She LOOKS so intelligent...until she opens her mouth. This is starting to feel real familiar.... (Bush 3?) I'm frustrated.


I'm :confused::eek::confused: at this interview. Can someone please explain this to me. I feel like I need to re-take a civics/government course after that interview.
I don't even have the words...I don't think there are any words for that. The Russia, The Bush Doctorine, Attacking across borders...I feel so confused and frustrated.

6 colleges in 6 years? Were they all in Alaska? Were they all accredited? What the hell?

I just can't. and I wont!

Im going to watch Obama on Youtube. I need a pick-me-up.


Oprah does not need to have that type of ignorance on her show. GOP women can boycott what they want, but I want to know how much of an impact they think they'll make on a woman who basically Single-handedly took on the Entire Beef Industry and WON. Really though? These ignorant and overly desperate housewives need to get over themselves.

SummerChild 09-12-2008 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K. (Post 1716704)
I'm :confused::eek::confused: at this interview. Can someone please explain this to me. I feel like I need to re-take a civics/government course after that interview.
I don't even have the words...I don't think there are any words for that. The Russia, The Bush Doctorine, Attacking across borders...I feel so confused and frustrated.

6 colleges in 6 years? Were they all in Alaska? Were they all accredited? What the hell?

I just can't. and I wont!

Im going to watch Obama on Youtube. I need a pick-me-up.


Oprah does not need to have that type of ignorance on her show. GOP women can boycott what they want, but I want to know how much of an impact they think they'll make on a woman who basically Single-handedly took on the Entire Beef Industry and WON. Really though? These ignorant and overly desperate housewives need to get over themselves.


You need a pick me up? LOL. That's hilarious.

Yes, it's very confusing to watch. This is the kind of thing that you don't let kids watch b/c they will be so confused about world relations after that mess that it's just detrimental to their own intelligence.

The colleges were in Idaho and Hawaii. My fault, it was 5 in 6 years, not 6 in 6 years. Wouldn't want to discredit her.

Here's the September 2008 article from the Huffington Post. Maybe she was on the run. LOL. Who knows.

I tell you, the more I see this woman, the more I wonder about the reasons that McCain picked her.... I smell dirt. I can't imagine that it's really anything else. We all know he has a thing for young ditties. Guess we'll just have to wait and see why he REALLY picked her. Hope it comes out before the election. Really, there must be more to this story b/c this goes against all reason and logic. Maybe that's it. Is McCain getting senile? No, seriously. Maybe that explains it.

Here's the article.


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POKANE, Wash. - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin attended five colleges in six years before graduating from the University of Idaho in 1987.

Federal privacy laws prohibit the schools from disclosing her grades, and none of the schools contacted by The Associated Press could say why she transferred. There was no indication any of them were contacted as part of the background investigation of Palin by presidential candidate John McCain's campaign.

"Our office was not contacted by anyone," said Tania Thompson, spokeswoman for the University of Idaho in Moscow.

Palin, the governor of Alaska, was born in Idaho. Her family moved when she was only a few months old to Alaska, where she was raised.

She began college at Hawaii Pacific University, a private, nonsectarian school in Honolulu. She attended only as a freshman during the fall of 1982, school spokeswoman Crystale Lopez said.

Then known as Sarah Louise Heath, she was in the business administration program as a full-time student, Lopez said.

"We're trying to track down someone who knew her," Lopez added.

From Hawaii Pacific, Palin transferred to North Idaho College, a two-year school in Coeur d'Alene, about 30 miles east of Spokane. She attended the college as a general studies major for two semesters, in spring 1983 and fall 1983, spokeswoman Stacy Hudson said.

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"We were not able to track down club affiliations or anything," Hudson said.

The school identified one of her professors but he did not remember her, Hudson said.

Prior to her selection by McCain, the North Idaho College Alumni Association notified Palin in June she would be the recipient of its 2008-2009 Distinguished Alumni of the Year Award.

From North Idaho College, Palin transferred 70 miles south to the University of Idaho, the state's flagship institution. She majored in journalism with an emphasis in broadcast news. She attended Idaho, whose mascot is the Vandals, from fall 1984 to spring 1985.

She then returned to Alaska to attend Matanuska-Susitna College in Palmer in fall 1985.

Then she returned to Idaho, for spring 1986, fall 1986 and spring 1987, when she graduated. Despite her journalism degree, she does not appear to have worked for the college newspaper or campus television station, school officials said. She worked briefly as a sportscaster for KTUU in Anchorage after she graduated college.

The McCain campaign did not have an immediate comment on Palin's higher education record.

In a recent interview with the school's alumni magazine, before her selection to run on the GOP ticket, she explained that her curiosity and love of writing made journalism a natural choice.

"I was always asking everyone the questions, and I still am today," Palin told the magazine.

The University of Idaho is taking advantage of Palin's nomination. A prominent photograph of her is featured on the school's Web site.

I.A.S.K. 09-12-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1716712)
You need a pick me up? LOL. That's hilarious.

Yes, it's very confusing to watch. This is the kind of thing that you don't let kids watch b/c they will be so confused about world relations after that mess that it's just detrimental to their own intelligence.

The colleges were in Idaho and Hawaii. My fault, it was 5 in 6 years, not 6 in 6 years. Wouldn't want to discredit her.

Here's the September 2008 article from the Huffington Post. Maybe she was on the run. LOL. Who knows.

I tell you, the more I see this woman, the more I wonder about the reasons that McCain picked her.... I smell dirt. I can't imagine that it's really anything else. We all know he has a thing for young ditties. Guess we'll just have to wait and see why he REALLY picked her. Hope it comes out before the election. Really, there must be more to this story b/c this goes against all reason and logic. Maybe that's it. Is McCain getting senile? No, seriously. Maybe that explains it.

Here's the article.

I now need a pick me up AND a couple of asprin.

I just read the article (thanks for that) and I'm still confused as to what school she graduated from and what even happened with all of that. 6 years for a 4 year degree? in journalism? How can you get a degree in journalism and not keep up with world affairs? WTF? So many questions and so very few answers are leaving me confused and frustrated. Im glad im voting for Obama. If I were a republican...I'd write in Condi Rice and call it a day. LOL.

I don't know if JMac is that stupid. She isnt that cute either. There is some type of something going on. I don't think Jmac is the one who owes her. I think it might be his SR advisor chick or someone who is advising him who is in deep debt with Palin. It just doesnt add up. She's not well known even inside the party so I find it hard to believe that someone owes her. She also isnt from a family that is a political force (ie:Bush) so that cant be it either. Sex scandal isnt enough because Jmac has had those. I think they wanted the shock factor of picking a woman and they wanted an "outsider" (I think they got Lil Wayne's political equal because she is definitely talking some "Im a Martian" type stuff) and someone who "is all about change" so that they could counter the force that is Obama. They clearly wanted that image and felt that the benefit from it would out weigh the cost of her messy-ness. This kind-of makes sense. I do think they did not do a stringent enough background check. They probably checked for the basics and found the DUI and the investigation and pregnancy and figured they could cover that up and didnt go much deeper. That is probably the reason why they didnt announce her as the running mate until so late in the game. Had they announced it earlier then people would have had more time to dig up info on her. Since they waited til the last minute there is only a short amount of time for people to dig and then spread information. They figured a few months wouldnt be enough time for people to discover who she really is and it definitely wouldnt be enough time for the diggers to get the info out to the regular folks. They also dont mind her problems because after he gets elected she pretty much just disappears. President Truman had to step in after Roosevelts death and he knew nothing about what was going on. Thats how it is with most vice presidents. They dont do much of anything and are not often involved with the running of our nation. JMac is counting on Palin getting him more support and then when he is elected she will basically disappear and crawl back under the rock she came from. I in some ways agree with this thought because there are plenty of people who will not ever find out about her 6 year degree. I do think they made a huge miscalculation in this matter because they failed to address Obama's camp's extensive use of technology to spread info extremely quickly as well as the use of the internet and the media as a 24 hour non stop medium for info for regular peeps. Overall this was a horrible judgment call and I hope those McCain voters figure this out before they ruin their own lives. If they dont we might see a president impeached and removed.

Obama 08.

mccoyred 09-12-2008 09:40 PM

I can't find the article but basically, her 'truth' was debunked. EVERY vice presidental candidate in modern times has had at least a modicum of foreign policy experience as congressman/senators, other federal government experience or international business executives. If I can find it, I will post the link. She LIED again!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honeykiss1974 (Post 1716702)
excerpt:

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?

PALIN: There in the state of Alaska, our international trade activities bring in many leaders of other countries.

GIBSON: And all governors deal with trade delegations.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: Who act at the behest of their governments.

PALIN: Right, right.

GIBSON: I’m talking about somebody who’s a head of state, who can negotiate for that country. Ever met one?

PALIN: I have not and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you.


Ten/Four 09-12-2008 10:16 PM

Can you go to that many schools in still get your degree? I thought they had a cap on the number of credits you can transfer, especially within your major.

mccoyred 09-13-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1716833)
I can't find the article but basically, her 'truth' was debunked. EVERY vice presidental candidate in modern times has had at least a modicum of foreign policy experience as congressman/senators, other federal government experience or international business executives. If I can find it, I will post the link. She LIED again!

Here is a link to one of the stories: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_126062.html

SummerChild 09-16-2008 07:21 PM

Ok, so I just finished watching the other Palin-Gibson interviews. I've figured it out. She just talks around EVERYTHING and does not answer ANYTHING directly. You gotta love it. Sure, she's ignorant of world affairs but she's also just kind of illogical in general and not very swift. If I wasn't actually listening to what she was saying, I'd think she nailed every question. Instead, I was dumb enough to listen and just got all confused.

For example, in one interview, she says that earmarks shouldn't be allowed (an absolute ban such as that supposedly endorsed by McCain). Then after Gibson points out that she took earmarks even in 2008 in Alaska, it was, earmarks should only be allowed if they are done in the public eye. Then, it gets worse. She admits that even though Congress gave her 200M for the bridge to nowhere, which is what one of the earmarks was, she decided not to spend it on that and to spend it instead on other stuff. So first she advocated for the bridge and went through the trouble of asking for earmarks. Then after she successfully got millions, she changed her own sweet mind and decided to do otherwise, thereby not even following through on the whole thing. You gotta love this lady. I wonder if she even knows how crazy she sounds.

Ok, let's do another random example. Um, just picking one out of my head, does she believe that Roe v. Wade should be overturned? She says yes, then she says that that is her *personal* opinion but never goes on to say if she has a say, *public official* opinion. So what does your personal opinion have to do with it? And why keep stressing that it's your personal opinion if you haven't bothered to put forth any other types of opinions. The takeaway is that the personal opinion is the same as the public official opinion dumb dumb. Therefore, by logical deduction, there is no need to keep stressing the word "personal." Unless of course, you just want to confuse everyone by seemingly lessening the harshness of your stance by implying that there might be another opinion out there.

Ok, another one (i've just had a cup of coffee). She is pro life, pro life, blah blah blah, no stem cell research b/c it would mean creating a life just to kill it, blah blah blah. Then 2 minutes later Charlie asks her and she proudly states that she is a life member of the NRA and believes that there should be no ban on semi-automatic weapons. The problem here is that semi-automatic weapons are not used for animals, stupid. They are used to kill *people*. Presumably the same species that you are so pro-life for. Ok, the natural logical conclusion is that your stance on semi-automatic weapons would imply that you really don't value human life that much. Yes, dumb dumb, anyone with an ounce of logic would come to that conclusion. But you are slooooooooow so you missed it and put your foot in your mouth. I only wish that Gibson would have nailed your behind to the wall on it.

I think that this conflict between being pro-life but being against a ban on semi-automatic guns is the kind of thing that many Republicans have jumped on board with not realizing how contradictory the whole thing is. This leads me to believe that there must be another basis for the pro-life stance that women, in Palin's "personal" view, shouldn't be allowed to abort even in cases of rape and incest b/c it obviously it not b/c she loves the human species so much. Perhaps she, and many other Republicans, just want to control the lives of others? The same way that they balk when told that they might not be able to have semi-automatic weapons, right? Then, it's well, the states should control it. The idiocracy of that stance is that, isn't the state the *government* too? So wouldn't it still be the government controlling abortion? What does it matter if it's the federal government or the state government? The leave it to the states thing that Palin is touting just doesn't make sense, unless of course, you are the governor of a state and can use your influence to prevent legal abortions in your state. I haven't thought this out. Maybe one of my fellow legal eagles can help me here. If state A allows abortions but state B doesn't does state A have to allow everyone that comes into their state from next door to have the same "rights and privileges" as their state? Does a privileges and immunities issue arise?

I'm sorry, I've gone off into the kind of in-depth analysis that Professor Obama actually taught us to engage in. Silly me.

Re Palin, this is what happens when you're simply repeating what you have been trained to say whether it answers the question or not and whether it conflicts with the previous answer or not. The McCain group needs to get on their game b/c they aren't preparing her to appear ready for the VP position very well.

We need to make sure that we vote b/c many Republicans will vote for ANYONE just so that they will not lose to Democrats. We saw it with the re-election of Bush even though many of them hated him by 2004.

SC

WenD08 09-17-2008 02:39 PM

Are you registered?
 
if not or if you just want to confirm your registration, please go to:

https://www. voteforchange. com/index_ obama.php? source=091008ema ilR

this site will get you registered and ready for November 4th.
if you are reading this and you aren't registered, it is PAST time to do so. there are only two reasons for not voting: religious or by law you aren't allowed to vote as an ex-con (due to state law). barring those scenarios, do what's needed to vote on November 4, 2008.

my PSA for the day (and yes, i'm registered and have voted for 20 years;))

WenD08 09-17-2008 02:41 PM

funny, this didn't come up in my post. i'll try again. go to https://www. voteforchange. com/index_ obama.php? source=091008ema ilR to get registered!

WenD08 09-17-2008 02:43 PM

heck:mad: try this: http://www.voteforchange.com/. this should work:o

mccoyred 09-17-2008 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1718903)

Ok, let's do another random example. Um, just picking one out of my head, does she believe that Roe v. Wade should be overturned? She says yes, then she says that that is her *personal* opinion but never goes on to say if she has a say, *public official* opinion. So what does your personal opinion have to do with it? And why keep stressing that it's your personal opinion if you haven't bothered to put forth any other types of opinions. The takeaway is that the personal opinion is the same as the public official opinion dumb dumb. Therefore, by logical deduction, there is no need to keep stressing the word "personal." Unless of course, you just want to confuse everyone by seemingly lessening the harshness of your stance by implying that there might be another opinion out there.

Ok, another one (i've just had a cup of coffee). She is pro life, pro life, blah blah blah, no stem cell research b/c it would mean creating a life just to kill it, blah blah blah. Then 2 minutes later Charlie asks her and she proudly states that she is a life member of the NRA and believes that there should be no ban on semi-automatic weapons. The problem here is that semi-automatic weapons are not used for animals, stupid. They are used to kill *people*. Presumably the same species that you are so pro-life for. Ok, the natural logical conclusion is that your stance on semi-automatic weapons would imply that you really don't value human life that much. Yes, dumb dumb, anyone with an ounce of logic would come to that conclusion. But you are slooooooooow so you missed it and put your foot in your mouth. I only wish that Gibson would have nailed your behind to the wall on it.

I think that this conflict between being pro-life but being against a ban on semi-automatic guns is the kind of thing that many Republicans have jumped on board with not realizing how contradictory the whole thing is. This leads me to believe that there must be another basis for the pro-life stance that women, in Palin's "personal" view, shouldn't be allowed to abort even in cases of rape and incest b/c it obviously it not b/c she loves the human species so much. Perhaps she, and many other Republicans, just want to control the lives of others? The same way that they balk when told that they might not be able to have semi-automatic weapons, right? Then, it's well, the states should control it. The idiocracy of that stance is that, isn't the state the *government* too? So wouldn't it still be the government controlling abortion? What does it matter if it's the federal government or the state government? The leave it to the states thing that Palin is touting just doesn't make sense, unless of course, you are the governor of a state and can use your influence to prevent legal abortions in your state. I haven't thought this out. Maybe one of my fellow legal eagles can help me here. If state A allows abortions but state B doesn't does state A have to allow everyone that comes into their state from next door to have the same "rights and privileges" as their state? Does a privileges and immunities issue arise?

SC


You got beat to the punch! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_127158.html :cool:

Confucius 09-18-2008 06:48 AM

I hope the Dems Read this
 
How on EARTH did we miss the ULTIMATE trumpcard we've been handed on a silver plate?

This was found this on Democratic Underground.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...w_all&address=...

How on EARTH did we miss the ULTIMATE trumpcard we've been handed on a silver plate?


We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war

BUT

We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war


When the LITTLE GUY needs help, they scornfully say, "GET A JOB!"
But when of their BIG GUY CRONIES need a bailout, what do they say?

SURE, NO PROBLEM. Where's the checkbook?

Things that make you say......hhhhmmmm... :rolleyes:

TonyB06 09-18-2008 08:53 AM

Tom Joyner is also pumping his 1-866-MYVOTE1, a national registration center which then forwards the registration information to the state of the caller.

I would suggest anyone using this method follow up with a call to your local Board of Elections. I've heard several people call in and say they've had "issues." Don't know if issues were on the Joyner side, or possible "trickeration" at the Board of Election.

Whatever method you choose, verify it before the Oct. 6 registration deadline.

PINKtear 09-18-2008 02:21 PM

I wanted to post this because I haven't heard about it in the news yet. There was an anti-Palin rally in Alaska and the following link was emailed to me.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/14/103042/902

Honeykiss1974 09-18-2008 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Confucius (Post 1719635)
How on EARTH did we miss the ULTIMATE trumpcard we've been handed on a silver plate?

This was found this on Democratic Underground.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...w_all&address=...

How on EARTH did we miss the ULTIMATE trumpcard we've been handed on a silver plate?


We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Social Security
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to fix Medicare
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to provide health care to ALL Americans
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help out Americans losing their homes
We don't have ENOUGH MONEY to help all our veterans returning from war

BUT

We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out Bears Stearns
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to bail out AIG
We DO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY to pay for an unnecessary TRILLION DOLLAR war


When the LITTLE GUY needs help, they scornfully say, "GET A JOB!"
But when of their BIG GUY CRONIES need a bailout, what do they say?

SURE, NO PROBLEM. Where's the checkbook?

Things that make you say......hhhhmmmm... :rolleyes:

Apparently when you throw the word "corporate" in front of welfare, it means a totally different thing. :cool: lol

KAPPAtivating 09-18-2008 09:02 PM

I had friends that went to K-State...I went to U.K. Nevertheless, I may be late on this, but I Am SO SICK of the government making poor attempt to convice me the gas shortage in my area have anything to do with these freaking hurricanes. PLEASE STOP!:mad:

AspiringChange 09-18-2008 10:51 PM

When Palin's friends from Alaska were being interviewed on a news show, they had the nerve to say that they were still undecided on who they were voting for. Now if Palin can't count on her own friends, why would anybody else be down with her.

KAPPAtivating 09-19-2008 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AspiringChange (Post 1720042)
When Palin's friends from Alaska were being interviewed on a news show, they had the nerve to say that they were still undecided on who they were voting for. Now if Palin can't count on her own friends, why would anybody else be down with her.

I'm sure it's because they too realize that things would be scary with McCain as President, and even scarier if Palin became President. I think she is simply easy on the eyes and wears nice glasses. If find her to be less than intelligent.

Confucius 09-19-2008 06:01 AM

Unfortunately, Palin & McCain will be attending something or holding a rally right across the street from where I work.

mccoyred 09-19-2008 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAPPAtivating (Post 1719984)
I had friends that went to K-State...I went to U.K. Nevertheless, I may be late on this, but I Am SO SICK of the government making poor attempt to convice me the gas shortage in my area have anything to do with these freaking hurricanes. PLEASE STOP!:mad:

They want to convince us to place MORE of our energy capacity in the path of hurricanes. After all, a large percentage of the 'new' domestic drilling being contemplated is in the Gulf of Mexico! Over 60% of available domestic oil and 75% of domestic gas reserves are where.....! http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otheranalysis/ongr.html

I.A.S.K. 09-19-2008 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1719650)
Tom Joyner is also pumping his 1-866-MYVOTE1, a national registration center which then forwards the registration information to the state of the caller.

I would suggest anyone using this method follow up with a call to your local Board of Elections. I've heard several people call in and say they've had "issues." Don't know if issues were on the Joyner side, or possible "trickeration" at the Board of Election.

Whatever method you choose, verify it before the Oct. 6 registration deadline.

I work with the organization that runs the 866-myvote1 line (Joyner just promos he doesn't really have all that much to do with the rest of it) and I can definitely say that a lot of it is on the B of E's end. They "never got the information" or "cant find it" or "You're not registered" (even when you are). Every person who registers via our 1866 number should definitely follow up with BofE if they have not recieved their registration card. You really should do it if you are in the south. Thats where we've been having the most problems. Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Florida....anywhere below the mason dixon line basically.

PEOPLE PLEASE,
Participate in EARLY VOTING! It will save you time and hassel. If you are in a state like GA that doesnt require that you give a reason to vote absentee you should consider doing that.

TonyB06 09-19-2008 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K. (Post 1720284)
I work with the organization that runs the 866-myvote1 line (Joyner just promos he doesn't really have all that much to do with the rest of it) and I can definitely say that a lot of it is on the B of E's end. They "never got the information" or "cant find it" or "You're not registered" (even when you are). Every person who registers via our 1866 number should definitely follow up with BofE if they have not recieved their registration card. You really should do it if you are in the south. Thats where we've been having the most problems. Texas, Georgia, Alabama, Florida....anywhere below the mason dixon line basically.

PEOPLE PLEASE,
Participate in EARLY VOTING! It will save you time and hassel. If you are in a state like GA that doesnt require that you give a reason to vote absentee you should consider doing that.

I'm registering people here in Ohio. My county's B of E is typically sending out "new registration" confirmation material about 10 days to two weeks after their registration requests are received.

Since I'm hand-delivering all the new registrations that I take to the B of E office, there should not be any "process problems."

I, also would urge anybody with the option of early voting to do so. --- Then consider using Nov. 4 to help others (particularly, the elderly) get to the polls.

(in Ohio, early voting begins Oct. 1.)

WenD08 09-19-2008 03:10 PM

have folks seen or heard about this? some group calling themselves, i believe, Blacks Against Obama tried to disrupt an appearance in FL: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=178233
i would love to know who's behind this. i have theories...:mad:


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