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MaryPoppins 09-11-2013 06:26 PM

Freshman class stats from Ole Miss University Communications: "[The Ole Miss (Oxford Campus)] student body includes 3,579 new freshmen. This year’s freshmen are better prepared for college coursework, with an average ACT score of 24.1, an all-time UM record, compared to an average of 23.8 last fall. Their high school GPA increased too, from 3.43 to 3.46"

MU2Driver 09-11-2013 06:45 PM

For reference, here are what I believe to be the 2012 numbers:
1283 Registered
1250 Participated in 1st Round
50 Released From System
1129 Participated in Bid Matching
1123 Matched
I have no experience with colonization recruitment in the RFM era, but just for discussion, if quota were held at last year's level for the nine chartered chapters and the above ratios approximate this year's mix, then there are about 96 extra girls that will need a home.

FSUZeta 09-11-2013 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins (Post 2238704)
Yes, but recall that colonization considerations are being made to the RFM calculations. And recall that the not insubstantial number of grade risks are in that number too. I'm trying to get it an idea of the % of grade risks, because after that is where we can begin to say quota might look like X.

I didn't want to complicate matters, but should have said so.

msmom 09-11-2013 08:20 PM

Just a word
 
By the way, I really want to thank all of you who have kept GC going and relevant. I relied heavily on what I read here when both sons went through, particularly the first. I graduated from AL in a house that is also at OM, but things are so different than in my day. Your information/education/encouragement is so appreciated. My only girl is going through this year, so here I am again, round 3, relying on your advice and good common sense. Good job, and y'all can clearly see from the numbers of "reads" that you are a valuable resource!

Titchou 09-11-2013 08:49 PM

Quota is based on the number of women signing bid cards after pref - not the number invited to pref. So all 1394 would have to make it all the way thru and all sign bid cards...and that won't happen.

MaryPoppins 09-11-2013 09:15 PM

Last year, approximately 88% of the Registered PNMs participated in bid matching (signed an MRABA.)

DubaiSis 09-12-2013 12:06 AM

And to split hairs, it's not actually the number of girls divided by the number of chapters. They start with an estimate of quota (probably A divided by B) and then they play with the numbers and see what happens if they drop or increase quota and then adding quota additions. Dropping quota can actually increase the number of girls placed if the quota additions all work correctly. But that starts to get tricky and beyond my understanding of the process. And (someone can correct me if I'm wrong), a colony doesn't affect quota except that more girls are likely to drop out of rush because they want to pursue colony membership.

But I think we can all accept that Ole Miss is probably due even more expansion!

MaryPoppins 09-12-2013 08:29 AM

Someone was needing tire service in Oxford, but I cannot find the post now/ My husband raves about these guys. There are no full service stations left here.

Ray Brothers Auto Repair & Tire Shop
(662) 234-2421
1444 S Lamar Blvd, Oxford, MS 38655

newbierebmom 09-12-2013 08:37 AM

Thanks MP. That was me. I deleted it b/c I didn't want to break rules of forum. Thank you SOOO very much!!!

For those that did't see, DD called last night saying low tire light came on.....despite us getting her four new tires in August! And we're six hours away!! UGH

Thanks again MP!

MU2Driver 09-12-2013 08:41 AM

Saw your post before it was deleted.
It doesn't sound like anything serious. What I believe is probably happening is that the pressure has dropped because the temperature has dropped. If the tires "look right" (all 4 look the same, no obvious bulging or sagging), it's OK to drive at city speeds for short periods. These new tire pressure sensors are known for being sensitive and giving false alarms.
I would suggest having DD buy a tire pressure gauge at Wal-Mart. It's cheap and good to keep in the car anyway. Preferably one with a round gauge and a short hose to press into the valve stem, but a pop-out stick type is OK too. Depending on the result, she can stop by any self serve station with an air pump. Usually 50 cents or a dollar for air.
The recommended pressure should be printed on the tire itself, and can also be found in the owner's manual and often on a label inside the driver's door. Generally should be between 32 and 36 psi, but anything above 28 is safe with the limitations as mentioned above.
If this is more than she wants to tackle, and she doesn't want to go to the place mentioned above, I'm going to Oxford this afternoon. PM me and I will help her or get my DD's boyfriend to help her.

newbierebmom 09-12-2013 08:56 AM

Awww....y'all are wonderful!

She did stop at self serve station last night to put air in (that we taught her to do and she's comfy with doing) but didn't have an air gauge attached to the front end of the air pump like the ones we had used previously. She's familiar with tire gauges and bought one at WalMart after stopping at the self serve and said she would look at it more on Saturday. (I didn't put a tire gauge in the glove box because we just bought NEW tires in August!!) I had told her she would likely be fine just driving around Oxford a little until she could look at it further. She can handle checking that and adding air on her own.

I just started thinking while TRYING to go to sleep last night, what if it's more than that and wanted to tell her some options. Thank you all so much!!! <3

MU2Driver 09-12-2013 10:54 AM

Is the ADPi colony considered a chapter for purposes of dividing to get the initial estimate of quota? I know they're not participating in pref round.

rebelpnm 09-12-2013 11:16 AM

All of the ADPi women on campus keep saying that because of them, quota will be lowered. Does that mean that less girls will receive bids so that those girls will consider joining the colony?

KDCat 09-12-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by newbierebmom (Post 2239056)
Awww....y'all are wonderful!

She did stop at self serve station last night to put air in (that we taught her to do and she's comfy with doing) but didn't have an air gauge attached to the front end of the air pump like the ones we had used previously. She's familiar with tire gauges and bought one at WalMart after stopping at the self serve and said she would look at it more on Saturday. (I didn't put a tire gauge in the glove box because we just bought NEW tires in August!!) I had told her she would likely be fine just driving around Oxford a little until she could look at it further. She can handle checking that and adding air on her own.

I just started thinking while TRYING to go to sleep last night, what if it's more than that and wanted to tell her some options. Thank you all so much!!! <3


She's good. Don't worry, Mom. :D

33girl 09-12-2013 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebelpnm (Post 2239092)
All of the ADPi women on campus keep saying that because of them, quota will be lowered. Does that mean that less girls will receive bids so that those girls will consider joining the colony?

NO. Quota will still be (to keep it simple) # of girls at pref divided by number of sororities. No one is going to be "buffaloed" into joining a colony. Quota won't be set until after the girls who decide to pursue ADPi drop out of regular rush.

MU2Driver 09-12-2013 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2239094)
NO. Quota will still be (to keep it simple) # of girls at pref divided by number of sororities. No one is going to be "buffaloed" into joining a colony. Quota won't be set until after the girls who decide to pursue ADPi drop out of regular rush.

I agree this is how the basic formula works. It's unusual in this case that the PNM pool is growing at about the same rate (8.6%) as the rate of increase in sororities (11.1%). If they don't make an adjustment for ADPi, then quota is going to be around 130, which works against what I believe is a generally held desire for more manageable pledge class and chapter sizes.
On the other hand, if they hold quota closer to last year's 120 number (not saying they will), then about 100 PNMs would, in effect, be left with the colony as their only viable option.

thetalady 09-12-2013 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MU2Driver (Post 2239108)
If they don't make an adjustment for ADPi, then quota is going to be around 130, which works against what I believe is a generally held desire for more manageable pledge class and chapter sizes.
On the other hand, if they hold quota closer to last year's 120 number (not saying they will), then about 100 PNMs would, in effect, be left with the colony as their only viable option.

This is just NOT TRUE. :mad: please do not spread this kind of misinformation around. Rush at Ole Miss is stressful enough without this to mislead and worry PNMs and moms.

MU2Driver 09-12-2013 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins (Post 2238704)
Yes, but recall that colonization considerations are being made to the RFM calculations. And recall that the not insubstantial number of grade risks are in that number too. I'm trying to get it an idea of the % of grade risks, because after that is where we can begin to say quota might look like X.

You can fuss at me if you want, but fuss at MP too (see above). Plus, my comment was clearly hypothetical. To think that PH would bring a new colony in expressly because our system is too big, and then to also think that there is zero chance that they would make any adjustments to quota even in light of a growing PNM pool, is naïve.

DeltaBetaBaby 09-12-2013 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MU2Driver (Post 2239125)
You can fuss at me if you want, but fuss at MP too (see above). Plus, my comment was clearly hypothetical. To think that PH would bring a new colony in expressly because our system is too big, and then to also think that there is zero chance that they would make any adjustments to quota even in light of a growing PNM pool, is naïve.

No, you and MP are saying two different things.

Quota doesn't get lowered because of the colonization. However, under RFM, there is an assumed PNM drop-out rate that figures into the calculations. In a year that there is a colony, it's assumed that more PNM's will drop out than in a year without a colony.

newbierebmom 09-12-2013 07:08 PM

If someone posted this already, I apologize. But here's an article about Alabama's recent rush and alumnae allegedly encouraging sororities not to accept an African American girl. Again I'm new to Ole Miss, but I do know there are traditionally African-American greek organizations at Ole Miss. But do any of the traditionally white sororities/fraternities have any African Americans? I know Ole Miss had an African American homecoming queen last year. Just wondering about the Greek world. Thanks.

http://cw.ua.edu/2013/09/11/the-fina...-still-exists/

And while this is UA's college student paper, it is getting negative media coverage in other national media.

FSUZeta 09-12-2013 07:16 PM

Here you go:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...d.php?t=135929

thetalady 09-12-2013 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newbierebmom (Post 2239264)
But do any of the traditionally white sororities/fraternities have any African Americans? I know Ole Miss had an African American homecoming queen last year. Just wondering about the Greek world.

There have been African American members of NPC sororities at Ole Miss. My own chapter of Theta at Ole Miss pledged an African American member several years ago.

Kimbrely Dandridge was the first African-American woman to be elected Associated Student Body president one or two years ago. She is a proud member of Phi Mu.

These are the only girls that I am personally familiar with. Maybe Mary Poppins can help us out if I missed anyone.

newbierebmom 09-12-2013 09:48 PM

Good to know there have at least been a few African-American members of NPC sororities at Ole Miss. I just saw in the other thread that the story has made it to USA Today.

I wonder if the national attention from this will put any schools that have yet to undergo recruitment this fall (i.e. Ole Miss) under more scrutiny from chapter headquarters as well as university administrations???

MaryPoppins 09-14-2013 11:06 AM

Since Ole Miss Fall Formal Recruitment is delayed, this thread on what should go into a PNMs Recruitment Bag has been buried as most other campuses have already completed FFR. For PNMs that don't have their Recruitment Bag ready, here's the thread link:
Recruitment Bag

DubaiSis 09-14-2013 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newbierebmom (Post 2239347)
I wonder if the national attention from this will put any schools that have yet to undergo recruitment this fall (i.e. Ole Miss) under more scrutiny from chapter headquarters as well as university administrations???

I was wondering the same thing. Hopefully there won't be too much of a whiplash effect and dirty rushing in a desperate attempt to "get her."
"Chosen on her merits" is the goal.

thetalady 09-14-2013 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newbierebmom (Post 2239347)
Good to know there have at least been a few African-American members of NPC sororities at Ole Miss. I just saw in the other thread that the story has made it to USA Today.

I wonder if the national attention from this will put any schools that have yet to undergo recruitment this fall (i.e. Ole Miss) under more scrutiny from chapter headquarters as well as university administrations???

Several chapters at Ole Miss currently have AA members. I understand that the Theta chapter has several AA members.

Having said that, there are some sorority chapters at Ole Miss that have never pledged an African American PNM. Personally, I would expect that those chapters might have some extra scrutiny this year, but not the NPC system as a whole. Just my own opinion....

DeltaBetaBaby 09-14-2013 01:52 PM

Kimberly Dandridge is the student body president at Ole Miss, and an AA member of Phi Mu. She was released from all groups but Phi Mu before prefs, and there were whispers that alumnae stepped in at other chapters, telling them not to bid her.

newbierebmom 09-14-2013 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins (Post 2239812)
Since Ole Miss Fall Formal Recruitment is delayed, this thread on what should go into a PNMs Recruitment Bag has been buried as most other campuses have already completed FFR. For PNMs that don't have their Recruitment Bag ready, here's the thread link:
Recruitment Bag

OMGosh MP! Thank you so much! Didn't even think of that!!

GREAT IDEA! I'll be gathering stuff and sending a care package to DD!

Thank you!!

AZTheta 09-14-2013 02:37 PM

DBB do you mean after open house Phi Mu was her only invite? Or did she get released later in the week?

Asking b/c I know that a WRC may have had her on their list, but possibly she didn't have them on hers, and she would have dropped off their invite list after that point. See what I'm saying? It isn't like a pnm with a sub par gpa who gets released from everyone after Open House.

MaryPoppins 09-14-2013 02:57 PM

Ole Miss NPC Chapters release PNMs after Philanthropy and before Skit, another round of releases happens after Skit before Pref. There's not a lot of time to pick and choose on either side, at least here in these parts. In other words, Skit is the first (1st) invitational round of a two (2) invitational round RFM structure. Schedule:

September 8 - Ice Water Parties

BREAK

October 1 - Philantropy Parties - Day One - 4:30 to 10:20
October 2 - Philantropy Parties - Day Two - 4:30 to 9:35
PNMs Rank & Chapters Release

October 3 - Skit Parties - Day One - 4:00 to 8:00
October 4 - Skit Parties - Day Two - 4:00 to 7:10
PNMs Rank for 2nd time & Chapters Release 2nd time

October 5 - Preference Parties - 2:00 to 8:20
PNMs Rank for Last time & Chapters make any final decisions per their MSM policies and procedures.

October 6 - BID DAY!

AZTheta 09-14-2013 03:18 PM

wow. that IS different. I forgot that you'd posted that schedule, mea culpa - forgive me. So - everyone goes to two parties, then invite/release kicks in.

MaryPoppins 09-14-2013 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZTheta (Post 2239883)
So - everyone goes to two parties, then invite/release kicks in.

Yep. Real bizzare ain't it? But then when I went through FFR at LSU 31 years ago, even Ice Water (first party) was an invitational.

DubaiSis 09-14-2013 03:39 PM

I would be all for that for grade cuts. It would really suck for the girls who get cut before even being seen but it would eliminate that hope immediately and save party time for actually getting to know girls who have a chance. Same number of rounds but initial cut for grades? I like it!

DeltaBetaBaby 09-15-2013 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZTheta (Post 2239874)
DBB do you mean after open house Phi Mu was her only invite? Or did she get released later in the week?

Asking b/c I know that a WRC may have had her on their list, but possibly she didn't have them on hers, and she would have dropped off their invite list after that point. See what I'm saying? It isn't like a pnm with a sub par gpa who gets released from everyone after Open House.

I can't remember exactly how many invites she received for first round, but it was NOT a full schedule. I want to say three, and then all but one dropped her before prefs.

All that said, she was a sophomore.

thetalady 09-15-2013 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby (Post 2239853)
Kimberly Dandridge is the student body president at Ole Miss, and an AA member of Phi Mu. She was released from all groups but Phi Mu before prefs, and there were whispers that alumnae stepped in at other chapters, telling them not to bid her.

Just a note... Kimbrely Dandridge was the associated student body president last school year (2012/2013). She has since graduated.

choabet 09-15-2013 11:16 AM

Quote:

October 1 - Philantropy Parties - Day One - 4:30 to 10:20
October 2 - Philantropy Parties - Day Two - 4:30 to 9:35
PNMs Rank & Chapters Release

October 3 - Skit Parties - Day One - 4:00 to 8:00
October 4 - Skit Parties - Day Two - 4:00 to 7:10
PNMs Rank for 2nd time & Chapters Release 2nd time
I'm sure this has been covered but I thought I'd bump the question: The girls visit all houses for philanthropy but can be invited to how many for skit?

Also, my daughter understands that missing class for a party results in immediate release from the process, but what about girls who have a 4 o'clock class or even a 3 o'clock class? I am envisioning girls coming to class in lilly dresses, pearls and heels then racing off with their backpack to a party.

WCsweet<3 09-15-2013 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choabet (Post 2239974)
I'm sure this has been covered but I thought I'd bump the question: The girls visit all houses for philanthropy but can be invited to how many for skit?

Also, my daughter understands that missing class for a party results in immediate release from the process, but what about girls who have a 4 o'clock class or even a 3 o'clock class? I am envisioning girls coming to class in lilly dresses, pearls and heels then racing off with their backpack to a party.

It happens at many places. My prefs started after a chem lecture. The lecture was in a room of 200 people and there were a bunch of us all in cocktail dresses with our hair and make up done. It was pretty funny for us because our classmates kept staring out of the corners of their eyes.

MaryPoppins 09-15-2013 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choabet (Post 2239974)
I'm sure this has been covered but I thought I'd bump the question: The girls visit all houses for philanthropy but can be invited to how many for skit?

Also, my daughter understands that missing class for a party results in immediate release from the process, but what about girls who have a 4 o'clock class or even a 3 o'clock class? I am envisioning girls coming to class in lilly dresses, pearls and heels then racing off with their backpack to a party.

Last year a full dance card was 6 for skit. I haven't heard of any changes, but then that's not my area.

southernbelle95 09-15-2013 01:48 PM

Hello all!
So, I have a question about the process. I know everyone attends each house for philanthropy over the two days, but once invited begin, is it possible for a girl to only have parties on one day of skit instead of both? I'm guessing it is partially based off how many invites back from philanthropy she receives?

thetalady 09-15-2013 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by southernbelle95 (Post 2240000)
Hello all!
So, I have a question about the process. I know everyone attends each house for philanthropy over the two days, but once invited begin, is it possible for a girl to only have parties on one day of skit instead of both? I'm guessing it is partially based off how many invites back from philanthropy she receives?

Yes, it is entirely possible, depending on the chapters that a PNM receives invitations from.


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