LMAO! I love this line. Classic!

Mine didn't.

Then again HQ closed us too.

:-/

This is totally unrelated to the thread, but just out of curiosity...

Did your HQ attempt to do a re-organization or did they decide to close your chapter right away?

I only ask because I know SK tried a re-org on your campus this semester. It's really unfortunate that two houses closed back to back on the same campus in such a short period of time. :(

Maybe he was thinking of that girl from the Doritos commercial, at any rate, I was.

I've never heard of us "re-organizing" a chapter.

I truly believe, not just for us but for other sororities in general, that chapters are probably struggling for a while, and are most likely given help, prior to the decision is made for them to re-organize or close.

I don't think decisions are made lightly to re-organize or close, I just don't actually agree with re-organizing. The way DZ handeled the situation wasn't the best way to do it. What I personally feel they should have done is talk to DePauw and state that they want to close but would like to be able to recolonize on the campus in 4-5 years. Once the "reputation" of DZ has gone away a bit, then they come back with support from alums and HQ, and recolonize. I think that is a better idea than reorganizing and getting rid of 75% of the chapter. Plus, reorganizing doesn't alleviate the stigma or the rumors regarding the chapter.

Couldn't have thought of a better way to say it.

I realize that when you join a sorority there are some personal "freedoms" you might have to relinquish, like watching what you say or do when representing your organization, coming to events when asked to, etc. It might include doing things like dressing up for class during rush and wearing make up during rush. I don't think asking that much is unreasonable. But asking a member to overhaul her personality, or totally re do her wardrobe, do something that doesn't mesh with personal values or, essentially, be someone she isn't is not what sisterhood is about. And that's not right. We don't know what they were asked to do, but I am betting it was more than wear a skirt and some blush to class.

I can safely say that my chapter also fits into that first example, and that I've never seen us make a woman change who she is. Look cute during rush? Yes. Wear some make up, brush your hair. But do we tell them what style of clothing to wear, or to act like a different person? Never. And I've never seen the attitude that a woman won't be considered for membership because of her looks. It's nice to get a girl who is everything we are and pretty as a bonus, but dang...what is the point of picking a girl because she's cute, and not because she has that Alpha Gam spark?

I agree... and Ithink the whole deal revolves around the fact that those women who were dismissed were at one time given and accepted bids to join... they went through the whole process and then became full sisters.

Then, not even suddenly, because several articles have stated that the "Great DZ Decline" happened over a period of TEN YEARS, DZ decides they want to overhaul their image and consider closing/reopening because their centenial is coming up.

All of a sudden image mattered.

I think that even if DZ was able to close then suddenly reopen, they would not have received the great response that they hoped for because even if they held an open recruitment, DZ would have still had to deal with the "image" it had before on campus. Those don't die suddenly on most schools.

lol...... I just didn't know how else to put it but really that's what this is boiling down too......I've been pretty tactful so far on GC but in real life that's not exactly my strongest quality......

That's what has always bothered me about this situation. If a chapter only wants to take the pretty women during recruitment then as much as some of us think that's awful, in the end, it's the decision of that chapter. More power to 'em! And if there are chapters that use that filter, we won't really ever know b/c that falls under MS. But to come in and re-organize and only keep the pretty girls...... that's just weak! If you're going to re-organize then do it, don't pick and choose. That's just stupid and that is what has caused this big bruhaha. If they had just done a straight-up reorganization we wouldn't even be talking about it.

I see re-organization as a last ditch effort to prevent closing, because well -- no one really wants to close a chapter.

As many already know, the Alpha Gam chapter at Ohio State had a successful re-organization last January. I don't know the details leading up to the re-organization, but I know that all existing chapter members were granted alumnae status. Key word here is all. If I'm not mistaken, the remaining collegian(s) are set to graduate this semester, and I think IHQ waited to start re-org efforts so that the timing would allow the chapter to rid themselves of whatever hurt them in the first place.

I'm curious...besides AGD at Ohio State, have any other chapters been successful with re-organizing? I hate using that chapter over and over again, but they're proof that it does work and it can be a good thing. DZ HQ just didn't know to do it, I guess.

Re-organization saves the HQ from closing the chapter and a) having to wait until the next open opportunity to recolonize on campus or b) negotiating with PHC on an agreed time to come back on campus. I can think of two chapters off the top of my head that AGD IHQ closed recently that have agreements to return to campus by [insert date here].

If DZ HQ simply granted all (there's that keyword again) the Delta collegians alum status instead of picking and choosing, maybe they could have remained on campus to celebrate that darned Centennial they were so gung ho about. :rolleyes:

Depauw should close them all down for 2 years and start over fresh :cool:

By all, you do mean DZ, right? Because if you mean all = DePauw sororities, then that makes no sense whatsoever.

After this mess, DZ's lucky if they're ever going to be invited back on campus again. I think it's safe to say that if President Bottoms (teehee just for you, 33) and his adminstration are still there, DZ has no chance.

Alpha Phi has been successful with it. I'm not sure of how many times we have done it, but Cornell was recolonized the same time my chapter was installed (late 90s), and I know it was very successful. I never heard anything bad about it, no sisters that were upset or hurt or anything like that. I think as long as it's done right it can really be a good thing.

Oh yes, and we like to put on babydoll jammies and have pillow fights with each other too :D

There was actually an extremely successful recolonization at the University of Pittsburgh in the late 1980s. The chapter had about a dozen members, their National gave alum status to the majority of the sisters and they worked very hard to recruit some great girls.

I understand they're still doing very well today.

I might be speaking out of "school" so to speak, but considering I was just in grade school in the late 1980's, wouldn't it be strange to compare something that happened almost 2 decades ago to something going on very recently?

I would think that the campus climate might have been very different back then, and I would think NPC would have been also. A lot of things that happened in NPC-Land back then are no longer tolerated in NPC organizations. NPC seems to be more 'politically correct' in recent years based on some things I've heard (can't really compare because I was in grade school back then, but we are no longer allowed to call "new members" "pledges", we can't go on scavenger hunts, and we have 'equal opportunity type clauses on every NPC website... I would imagine that "back then" things were way different)