That the fraternity can be held responsible for. You don't have to "like" the law but ignorance or disapproval of the law is no excuse.

Don't make assumptions just because people are trying to get you to see both sides of the issue.

Mistake of fact can be an excuse, however.

Are you stupid? What does this have anything to do with doing pushups? It talks about some stupid sorority blindfolding their pledges and putting them in the oceans. Go find something real. Ya'll cite cases that apparently are, but haven't actually pointed me to any news article where it has. I'm glad I was put through a real pledgeship instead of walked-in like a mcdonalds and walked out with a membership. Sooner or later this thread will be locked because no one can answer me with a real answer. Erik will probably stumble around the issue claiming it's happened, DST will claim she's a liberal and the latter will be correct.

Same thing that you guys said happens in a "non-hazing" chapter when they don't do what the pledging process asks them to do...we drop them.

What do you do to a pledge that fails his tests, disrespects actives, etc? You drop them. It is the same thing. WE don't have to let anybody join our chapters, we are EXCLUSIVE. If they are doing the lineups, etc. it is because they want to do it, they WANT to earn the right to wear the letters like the actives do, they want to earn the respect of the active chapter because they know actives were once pledges as well and did the same thing for generations. If they don't want that, I will show them the door because they dint fit the mold my chapter is looking for. THAT is pledgeship.

What's the mistake of fact? :)

But if they don't get you in a criminal case they can get you in a civil one.

Exactly. :)

You certainly are special. What is over-the-top act of hazing to one is a traditional act of pledging to another. That's the REAL point you should've gotten from that.

Not quite sure what you're typing about here. Go find some news articles. No one is obligated to research for you. Go to stophazing.org and other sites where they document all the hazing stories. You're old enough and college educated enough to handle this. Supposedly. If we were to waste our time doing this for you, you'd find a reason to complain about what we came up with. Do it yourself so you can do your own quality control.

Once again, idiot de la idiots, DSTChaos isn't a liberal. We can play the dozens and forego this topic if you wish. Just make sure you're prepared to be entertaining. This thread has lived long enough, anyway. ;)

Give me some time, and I will try to find you that link.
Do you want only death or will injury be ok?;)
And to buy me some time, read the links on this link:) :
http://www.deltasigmatheta.com/hazenews.htm

No I'm not stupid. But thanks for taking a normal discussion down about 20 notches. This thread will be locked because you can't behave like an adult, not because "no one can answer you the real answer".

As a matter of fact, it is NOT how it is done in top chapters. I was in a top chapter...my pledgeship was wonderful. I never felt disrespected and my sisters earned my love and respect from the way they treated and respected us as people.

my pledgeship was very hard and i wasn't hazed at all

Exactly...you can have a good, but hard, pledgeship without hazing!

And not just the members of that chapter. The entire fraternity will pay in increased insurance costs and more importantly, in loss of reputation.

How many times do we have to say that we are referring to FRATERNITIES not sororities. As I have said 20x here, I don't believe hazing is necessary for sororities.