because these issues hasn't been addressed in previous laws and being in a country without papers is just now becoming illegal.

I call BS on that, considering all the people for this bill keep parroting that this law is almost word for word the same as the federal law that just needs to be enforced....soooooo, my question remains, why not go after the employers who drive the mass influx of poor Mexicans who know they can find a job?

This is true (and why the term "undocumented immigrant" is used by the courts - technically, there's no criminal act involved in entering the country without proper credentials in the sense most people would think of it), but I'm not sure exactly where you're going with it - making it 'illegal' in a criminal sense will be a total f-ing disaster from a time/money standpoint.

Right now, part of why the Federal system is broken because it relies on employers as enforcement, for a large part. This does not work, because employers a.) aren't good at this and b.) have absolutely no incentive to enforce the law.

So why would we expect further codification to make it work all of the sudden? And if it does work, aren't the results (in terms of money spent and reassignment of law enforcement efforts) at best a wash and at worst a disaster?

Who really cares about what happens after 2012 anyways? I mean if you follow the popular opinion, the Mayans already said there will be nothing after December 21st, 2012.

Damn us Mexicans....we ruin everything. First we ruin the US economy, now we are ruining the world!!!! :rolleyes:

That's a stretch, unless that actually is the popular opinion.

-And if it is I think i'll move to Mexico.
-I probably wont be able to get a visa though

I guess I should say that I deal with middle schoolers, that is their ONLY opinion. "Why should I care about what grades I get, it's not like i'm gonna graduate from high school, the world is going to end... DUH." They are TOTALLY serious!


Whether it is a popular opinion among others, IDK. But it must be somewhat, to get the notoriety that it has.

Bad move, better move to South Africa.

hell and no.

It only has notoriety among a small segment of the population. The average American who has heard of it only knows of it through The History Channel or something like that and they don't take it seriously. Afterall, people panicked over Y2K. See where that landed us?

while employers aren't gone after in great number, it's still a penalty. both are illegal. both are breaking the law. and have been breaking the law for some time. it's not new.

so you're telling me it's not a crime to violate the immigration and naturalization act? what's the definition of crime?

He's being overly technical by saying That immigration violations are not a "criminal" act. It's also not a criminal act to drive dirty either, but what happens when you get busted?

Call it what you want but if you get caught being here illegally you get arrested, are to appear before a judge, and in some places sent to jail For a few weeks before being deported.

Oh good Lord.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/15/ari...ex.html?hpt=C1

I will most likely get flamed for this, but....

I totally agree with the bill. That is my biggest pet peeve in Arizona, well across the country when it comes to illegal immigration. I don't believe it is fair for these people (Hispanic or other) to come into this country illegally and have their baby here just so their child can become a US citizen. It's completely unfair to the LEGAL citizens of the United States.

That being said, no way in hell will it actually happen because of the Constitution. For any state to deny an illegal immigrant their child "legal" status a Constitutional amendment would have to passed and I think hell will freeze over before that happens.

I personally think Arizona is doing all this to get the federal governments attention. As a native Arizonian (who just happens to live in NC right now), the budget is crap but they have all these expectations of protecting the border and ridding (not the best word but I can't think of a better word right now) the state of illegal immigration. But they don't have the money to do it. They are being told by the federal government what to do about illegal immigration (but yet the federal government would rather bail out AIG, et al... instead of giving money to the states to combat illegal immigration), the representatives are proposing bills (that require money), the people are voicing their opinions/outrage.

I think the state just wants people (i.e. federal government) to pay attention and do something and take control. The reality is, border protection should be done by the federal government not by the individual states. Right now it is Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and California who are fighting this battle and no one is supporting them.

Now this is just my opinion, please be respectful of my opinion. Until you've lived in a state that is constantly dealing with illegal immigration and illegal immigrants, it might be hard for you to understand where I'm coming from. And that is just how I feel.

Why should an innocent child be punished and denied citizenship just because of who they are being born too?