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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1510557)

Oh, I think that the derailment from the OP happened a long time ago.

I think there's a real (and very scriptural) tension here. Discrimination and judgment can be very Christian. Yes, we are told to "judge not, lest ye be judged" -- this seems to have more to do with people saying "you are damned . . . " when damnation is not our call -- and not to harp on the mote in a brother or sister's eye while ignoring the log in our own.

But the NT is also full of warnings for believers not to have dealings with idolotors or immoral people (with descriptions, in some cases, of what kind of behavior can constitute immorality) and not to allow them fellowship in the church. Kind of hard to heed those warnings without some discriminating judgment.

Would, for example, you make the same claim that it is not Christian to judge or discriminate if the object of the judgment or discrimination was, say, a member of NMBLA, a porn trafficker or a white supremicist?

I am not in a GLO that claims a particularly Christian identity or heritage, so I'll leave it to others to say how this tension translates into such a GLO or other non-church organization. But I think the idea that "it's not Christian to discriminate," while it sounds warm and fuzzy, is really rather simplistic.

The Bible comes off as quite discriminatory actually. In the OT, there are plenty of warnings about associating with the "wrong" type of people...

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Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1510431)

Interesting and not at all joking, but that is my impression of most conservative-minded folks that I know, which is why I generally won't argue with them.

Case in point:

I said that because I was called a Neanderthal, and then a Homophobe..........by you......because of the way I felt.

I have never tried to condemn anyone because they didn't think exactly like I do about homosexuals. You took what I said completely out of context. I was nothing short of berated by a majority of the people in this discussion, and not once did I try to tell any of them that they were stupid/ignorant/short sighted/close minded for thinking they way they do.

Thanks.

I never called you a neanderthal, and all I can say is if the homophobic shoe fits, wear it. I never singled anyone out specifically and said that "You are a homophobe."

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Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1510571)

I never called you a neanderthal, and all I can say is if the homophobe shoe fits, wear it. I never singled anyone out specifically and said that "You are a homophobe."

I said I was called one and then a homophobe.......by you. Do I think the shoe fits? Absolutely not.

You didn't have to single anyone out. Didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who you were referring to. You can backpeddle all you want, but it was pretty obvious who you were referring to. You quoted a response from JonoB that was nothing but meant specifically for me.

You misquoted me and took what I said about "thinking without supervision" completely out of the context in which it was said. Simple as that. Again, not once have I condemned anyone in this discussion for how they feel about homosexuals. I can't say the same for the responses towards me.

So you were wrong. Great.

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Originally Posted by macallan25 (Post 1508445)

I guess I can respond to you and Delt.

That's a tough subject. I would want to know if a gay man were in my fraternity. Simple as that. I'm perfectly comfortable saying that I wouldn't want to live with one, especially in my room at the fraternity house. I don't agree with it, and I think it would be a bad situation. Other's most definitely feel the same way. If I was living with a guy who hid it from me and then I found out about it later, or walked in on him and some dude.........we would be having a serious problem. People are free to make their own decisions about their sexuality, none of my business. I am extremely against it and overall pretty much disgusted by it, but it's still their choice. In a fraternity/fraternity house setting, I think they should let people know.

All of this speaks to the very reason that he wouldn't tell you...

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Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 1509807)

SEC Domination- Do I personally know that any of your brothers are gay? No. Haven't seen them, haven't met them, etc. But, from my own life experiences with my own chapter and friends from other chapters I am suggesting that there is a possibility.

He is the guy who is terrified that his friends will find out, because he 'knows' they will not want to be friends any longer.

He is the guy who always has a date or a girlfriend, because then his brothers will not suspect that he has a crush on Tebow.

He is the guy who always volunteers and goes out of his way to be friends with everybody: Maybe then, if they ever do find out, they will still like him as a friend.

He is even the guy who will make the biggest stink against gays, because he is as terrified of the prospect himself as some of his brothers.

You have your ideals and opinions. I'm not telling you to totally give up your belief system. Just know that there are many situations coming up in life that will change your views.

Very well put. Kudos, sir.