Dayum good point, Honeykiss. Dayum good point.:D

Good question, Honeykiss and I will give (hopefully) a good answer:

I am (at least IMO) not harboring unforgiveness when I speak about the NPHC because at the end of the day I am always willing and open to make peace and be friends with NPHC members. What it comes down do in my diatribes is my expression of dissention or disagreement, but I do not take opposing views personally. I do not harbor anger or resentment or let the diagreement fester in my heart. I learn from the experience and KIM.

OTOH, this discussion (and many others like it), people take it personally to the point where it degenerates into personal attacks and namecalling. There is genuine animosity between the races. I harbor no animosity whatsoever with the NPHC or its policies. I may not agree with all their mindsets and mentalities, but I don't take it personally either.

That is probably the reason why Teena named me Most Tolerant on GC. :D

Very true.


I didnt see your response to the NPHC. But I have seen the responsed on non related threads. :eek:

Good point!

See, this is something I don't understand......

When it comes to the Jewish Holocaust, we (the public) are never to forget so that it never happens again, and I agree.

BUT!!!! When it comes to slavery and racism against Blacks, its always 'Why don't y'all just get over it. That stuff happened a long time ago.'

Just an observation.......

Too True.

The Jews arent 'pulling the race card' when they remind people of the holocost.

@ sigma diva...

Ditto but it seems that alpha or rainmain has not or choose not to address this issue...

@ paradise...

LOL

Ok, if you want this addressed, I'll adress it with MY OWN thoughts:

I have never said that we should forget about slavery, and pretend that it never happened. I agree, it should be remembered, and you shouldn't "get over it". BUT - I don't think you can fairly say that "Because my Great Grandmother was a slave, I didn't get the job I interviewed for today". BUT - I also don't disagree that you MIGHT be able to say "Because I'm black, I didn't get the job I interviewed for today." It is hard to say that though, because you don't KNOW what the reason is you didn't get the job. There could have been 10 candidates for the job and 8 of them had less experiance/credentials, and 1 had more then you, but 1 is all it takes for them to get the job and not you. Hear me though: I WILL NOT say that it does not happen that people don't get jobs because of race.

Anyway, the point of my tanget is, I've never heard of a Jewish person claiming discrimination because their family was a Holocaust victim. And I know one main reason is because most people can't spot a Jewish person from a lineup (ethnic, and especially relgious) it's not to hard to pick out the African American. So I think the idea for "white" people is to remember that this could happen to us, because people who looked like us had it happen to them.

Once again, I don't think we (blacks AND whites) should "get over" slavery, but it doesn't help your case to throw it in people's faces (ie, this poem). And I think what I've wanted to say all along is the reason why I'm uncomfortable with this poem is that she's saying Columbus and Darwin, but I believe she's implying "all white people", and she's saying "in the past" and but she's implying now. I don't agree with the idea that ALL white people are the problem NOW. I'll grant you that even 50 years ago MOST white people were the problem THEN. But I believe today, that most has at least dropped to the minority of white people. I don't think discrimation doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen like it used to, and instead of taking that idea and pushing it further towards less and less and finally not at all, this little girl is making a push in the opposite direction.

When the day comes that I stop being followed by police while driving - yes, I've been 'tailed' by cops just driving down the highway, when the day comes that I stop being followed all over the store despite the fact I can pay - cash or credit- for whatever I want, when the day comes that I am not taken to the back of the restaurant to sit and eat - when these things stop happening to me, my family and my Black friends, then I will feel that the world has come to terms with all races. That day has not come, and it looks as if it will not come any time soon.

The poem is an expression of the world we live in, past and present.

While I still don't agree with your perspective, which is to be expected since we are from two different backgrounds, I do have more of an appreciation for your point of view after having read this post. It was a better conveyance of your feelings on this issue.

^^^ I feel the spirit and i'm bout to do my Holy Dance!

I just wanna one ONE thing....
 

Everyone, answer me this one question:

At the end of the day, what will all the b[el]ching, moaning, and complaining do to alleviate race relations and bring us closer together (read: What EFFECTIVE solution will all this ranting and raving about slavery, and oppresion will this bring to our present race relations)?

Re: I just wanna one ONE thing....
 

Keep it in the forefront.

Re: Re: I just wanna one ONE thing....
 

I completely 100% agree that by all means, keep it in the forefront!

However, there are ways to go about things. Casuing controversity has a tendancy to not help the cause (whatever the cause may be). It's all about Postive PR! Like the story about the little girl who did the study on bacteria in ice vs. toilet water. I think that little girl showed how intelligent she was, and it was awesome PR to show that black children can achieve as well (OR better - that girl really impressed me) as white children.

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So true. We have just devoted 13 pages to this topic.

And just as a reminder, a DISCUSSION of race is not belching, belly aching or whatever. In the NPHC threads, there are postive stories posted too. But every discussion concerning race isn't a step back or people fussing and why some of yall are refusing to see the DIFFERENCE between the two is beyond me.

I'm starting to feel like a scratched CD......