My fraternity defines hazing as "any physical or mental stress" pledging sucked, hell week was hell, but we all came closer together, there is a certain line between acceptable and unacceptable hazing most just choose not to use the word hazing when they describe what they went through while pledging out of respect.

my sorority hazes but not anything really bad. the worst was when we had a makeout scavenger hunt. we drew names and i had to kiss one of teh sisters boyfriend!! i made sure that when i did it he was so drunk he did not remember.
my pc was closer because we had to plan extreme ways to make out with some of these boys and we spent alot of time on it.:)

^^^you just can't stay away, can you?

i am just waiting for advice. greekchat is really useful!:D

Advice on what? How to be a troll? Honey, you've got that nailed. :rolleyes:

Regarding trolls . ..
 

icelandelf i am not a troll i think we established that already! i ment advice on my rho gamma stuff. you can go look at that page and see that i am not a troll or dity.:(

:eek:also just because my sorority "hazed" which wasnt even really hazing it was fun you dont have to think we are all trolls!!

No, madame, we most certainly have not established any such thing. You have represented yourself as a troll and nothing less. My goodness, I CRINGE in your HAWTNESS :rolleyes:

actually it is quite possible. the whole point of basic training, and pledging for that matter, is to push you to your absolute boundaries....and then some.

to me, any greek organization that doesn't 'haze' in any way, shape, or form is little more than a club. i know that some activities from all GLOs on my campus would be considered 'hazing' under some people's definitions. but that's what sets us apart from other organizations on campus, and it's what gives us a sense of individuality. if it weren't for varied pledge processes, we would all just be greek. we would have no pride for our individual chapters and it'd make for an overall....boring experience in my eyes

So, after you're done pledging, do they ship you off to Iraq?

Are you going to haze your children before you're proud of them??

yes, because everyone who goes through basic immediately gets shipped across the pond. /sarc

pledging taught me more in two months than years of high school etc. could ever teach me. i felt different in every way possible - that i was actually ready to start my adult life and (cliche i know) to be a man. i tried to bring the question back to my original point the best i could, troll.

haha, again, an response that deals in no way with my original post. next.:D

Apparently the point went that way --->


You don't have to have to be hazed to be proud. I'm proud to be an ASA, and an active Alumna, but I wasn't hazed.

true, but hazing 'can' be beneficial, and i think today we deal with a warped view for what constitutes as hazing. honestly, if you were to look through our manual, you'd look at half of the 'hazing' activities and think to yourself, seriously? my pledge brothers and i are able to look back at all those nights and laugh because they all make sense now.

Yes, but that kind of "OMG who would actually consider this hazing" is different than "push you to your absolute boundaries....and then some."

And, BTW, discussing your chapter hazing with your fraternity and chapter in your signature makes you a douche. /just sayin'

like i said, people have an interesting view on what is considered hazing, and i really dont think what i went through was bad enough to call it that. but others would tend to disagree

'Cuz ya know, Mr. Zippy Zamboni's taking screenshots of everything hazing related (just like he does on Webshots).

If it's not at the HQ's desk in the morning, rest assured it'll be in his gay literotica by midnight!!!

ok, risk management complete right? my mistake not turning off the signature

so, taking all this into consideration, how would you propose a transition for GLOs to a 'non-hazing' pledge process? and what would it consist of? sorority and fraternity alike, because, as i said earlier, some would view most GLOs on my campus as guilty of hazing.

The problem is, even if you turn your sig off in this fourm, people already know what GLO/Chapter you are from other posts.

Ok, here's the thing - when you had your chapter in your sig, it showed that your chapter was chartered in 1990. It's not like you've had a "long history of hazing" to transition from. And if your chapter decided they needed to haze because the other chapters on campus haze, then that's just kind of sad.

i don't know about other chapters hazing back when we were colonized because none of them are around anymore, but we have very active alumni...i don't know, i don't see others desiring to have a complete overhaul, especially if other chapters don't follow suit

The more I read of your posts, the more I get to thinking of Ft. Lewis and Fort Bragg.
Neither one, TTBOMK, has a GLO chapter on it.
To my POV, beliefs, experience, and opinion, GLO's have very little to nothing to do with Military training of any type or kind.

I have a true story.

Last fall I ran into two young men at work. I found out that they were part of a GLO at the local university and asked them if they knew one of their pledges worked there. They did not. No big deal, except one of the brothers did not even know the pledge. Why the big deal? That brother was the President of the GLO-which I knew was hazing. You tell me, does that sound like unity?

I think you can be unified without hazing. Your family doesn't haze. Churches don't haze. Did you haze your best friend? What about boy scouts or girl scouts?

I'm confused- the guys didn't know that they worked with one of their new members?

No, I think she's saying the president of the chapter didn't know one of the pledges in his chapter.

so that means he's clearly not the brightest crayon in the box- how is that hazing though?

LOL. It's not. I think she was responding to the "hazing creates unity" claim -- she knew these guys were from a chapter that hazes, yet they didn't have enough unity for the chapter president to know one of his own pledges.

I'm not sure it's an apt example, though. The "hazing creates unity" claim is usually made regarding unity within a pledge class ("we suffered together, we got each other through it, it made us stronger and closer"), not an entire chapter as such.

With the disclaimer that I do not support hazing of any kind, I'll say again what I've said before -- hazing, while destructive (for want of a better word) does, I think, tap into some very deep-rooted instincts and needs, at least for guys. I think that the laudable efforts to end hazing can only really succeed if we are aware of that and actively look for more constructive ways to meet those needs.

I think it relates to hazing because this was/is a fraternity known to haze their pledges. Someone else stated that hazing creates a sense of unity with the chapter. Since the president didn't even know the pledge, how did the hazing of the pledges create unity? (since if they were all united because of hazing, shouldn't the prez know the pledge?)


At least that's what I got out of it.

Everyone's group runs differently, for all we know this guy was prez in name only and was never around. Or, as cuteASAbug said, he just is stupid or bad with names. I don't think it's anything to get upset about.

I wasn't upset (and I hope I didn't sound like I was), I was just trying to put the pieces together as to why not knowing your pledges has anything to do with hazing. Sorry if it sounded like I was upset!:eek:

I didn't mean you hon :)

My friends and I hazed each other in the beginning of our friendship process. Hazing in this sense isn't based on the narrow definition of hazing provided by the anti-hazing buffs, though.

There are different forms of hazing in all of these institutions. Every institution has rituals, rites of passage, and things that members must do to be received by the other members. Some of these things are lightweight (just as some of the things GLOers do that gets labeled "hazing" is extremely lightweight but "bad" because aspirants and members don't have a choice) and other things are more intense depending on whose family, friends, church, and boy scout troop you're talking about.

Very true.

And as for Scouts, I do remember well the searches at camporees for left-handed monkey-wrenches, flag-pole keys and smoke shifters. ;)

And how times have changed.

Hazing has become a no no of any kind as manytimes even the most minor to some changed and became a hazard.

I'm not sure how long the president had to get to know all of his pledges......but that doesn't really sound like that big of a deal. I think it's taken me a while every year to get to know each pledge on a name/face basis, or at least the ones that I didn't help rush personally.

not everyone in my chapter knows everyone else but we are still sisters and we were hazed a little which helped us grow closer. who cares if the president didnt know a pledge?:confused: he was probably weird or something. nothing to do with hazing.