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Kevin 09-22-2007 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1525462)
and your prom date had gas....solvable by pepto or better yet a tablespoon of baking soda....good bye Kevin.

I've come to expect that sort of behavior from you.

Okay.. "good bye." :rolleyes:

Animate 09-22-2007 04:58 PM

This thread has gone on for 12 pages...and for what? Has anyone stopped to try to look at the other side of things? From where I sit there are primarily 2 groups of people that are concerned with this issue. One group is the "These 6 kids beat up another kid! Why should they be released for that". The other group is the "Yes, these kids beat up and they should be punished for that. The punishment should also fit the crime". Those in the first group seem to be treating this as a single event while those in the other are treating it as a culmination of things.

Then you have the idiots that just want people to get out of jail and not be punished. I think that group is small compared to the other two.

Bottom Line: try to take the other person's view of things.

Kevin 09-22-2007 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Animate (Post 1525476)
This thread has gone on for 12 pages...and for what? Has anyone stopped to try to look at the other side of things? From where I sit there are primarily 2 groups of people that are concerned with this issue. One group is the "These 6 kids beat up another kid! Why should they be released for that". The other group is the "Yes, these kids beat up and they should be punished for that. The punishment should also fit the crime". Those in the first group seem to be treating this as a single event while those in the other are treating it as a culmination of things.

Then you have the idiots that just want people to get out of jail and not be punished. I think that group is small compared to the other two.

Bottom Line: try to take the other person's view of things.

Thanks. I agree with that. The punishment should fit the crime.

I think that so far, since the charges have been reduced, in my opinion, that has been satisfied.

Attempted murder in the second degree is an odd crime anyhow. The factual requirements which separate that from something like aggravated assault are minimal. This allows a lot of prosecutorial discretion -- something which isn't always going to be something we agree with.

Hopefully, if nothing else, this incident causes the LA state legislature to look long and hard at its criminal code. That, if nothing else is what protesters ought to be talking about.

DSTCHAOS 09-22-2007 06:42 PM

Reason #1,913,000 why threads like this don't do well on GreekChat.

This topic isn't just about the Jena 6. Many of the people rallying weren't just doing it for the Jena 6. Whether the Bell kids stays in jail or not, there are social injustices that people of all races and social classes should be concerned with. Injustices that began generations ago and continue today.

DaemonSeid 09-22-2007 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1525488)
Thanks. I agree with that. The punishment should fit the crime.

I think that so far, since the charges have been reduced, in my opinion, that has been satisfied.

Attempted murder in the second degree is an odd crime anyhow. The factual requirements which separate that from something like aggravated assault are minimal. This allows a lot of prosecutorial discretion -- something which isn't always going to be something we agree with.

Hopefully, if nothing else, this incident causes the LA state legislature to look long and hard at its criminal code. That, if nothing else is what protesters ought to be talking about.

aww man.read. Read. Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaad. This is what protesters want not just in Jena and louisiana but in the US! Go and google Jena 6 commentary! That is if its not too irrelevant for you to do.

Kevin 09-22-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1525567)
aww man.read. Read. Reeeeeeeeeeaaaaad.this is what protesters want not just in Jena and louisiana but in the us! Go and google Jena 6 commentary! That is if its not too irrelevant for you to do

In the us??? You're wanting to turn the imprisonment of a few thugs into something a lot bigger than it is.

DaemonSeid 09-22-2007 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1525656)
In the us??? You're wanting to turn the imprisonment of a few thugs into something a lot bigger than it is.

that is because you are not getting it into that thick cranium that Jena is not the only place where stuff like this is happening.

That's right I forget....you....can't....relate.

Excuse yourself from this now.

DaemonSeid 09-22-2007 11:38 PM

Let me give the people on the slow bus some help:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/09/20...ref=rss_latest'

http://www.nbjcoalition.org/news/nbj...-6-update.html

(amazingly one of those thugs that you assumed would be back in jail in the future was on his way to college...I guess we can't 'assume' that he can change his life...easier to lock up the animal than educate him huh?)

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...ON03/709210314

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...3/1007/OPINION

not related but clearly....the madness continues

4 nooses found in a NC school

http://www.newsandrecord.com/apps/pb...922010/-1/NEWS

DaemonSeid 09-22-2007 11:42 PM

Nosses found in NC High school
 
Hell...i decided to post the whole article.

I guarantee you...before this year is out another white kid will be beaten for doing dumb shyt like this.....and the reason is....he doesn't have any idea what he is doing and he thinks he can get away with it.


Four nooses at Andrews investigated By Joe Killian
Staff Writer
Saturday, Sep. 22, 2007 3:00 am
HIGH POINT — Police are investigating four nooses found Friday morning on the campus of Andrews High School.

School officials said two nooses had been hung in a tree in front of the school and another was hung in a bus parking lot. At least one red noose was tied to the top of a school flagpole.

High Point police said school administrators discovered the nooses about 8:30 a.m. By 10:41 a.m., police officers had responded, taking the nooses down and beginning an investigation.

Security was increased at the high school, with extra police officers on campus. Police said the extra security will continue at least through the weekend.

No charges have been filed and the investigation is ongoing. Investigators did not return phone calls requesting further comment Friday.

"We don't know if it was a prank or a violent act, but we will not tolerate it," said Walter Childs, the Guilford County school board member who represents the Andrews' school district. "Something like this has no place in our schools."

Some people are wondering whether the vandalism is related to an incident in Jena, La., where nooses hanging from a tree sparked a fight involving a white student and six black students. The nooses at Andrews High showed up the day after thousands marched in support of the black students, known as the "Jena Six."

Guilford County Schools officials said they didn't let the incident disrupt the school day. Classes weren't delayed or let out early.

"We're fully cooperating with the High Point Police Department in the investigation," said Sonya Conway, executive director of district relations for Guilford County Schools. "But we're also very busy trying to maintain a regular school day."

Conway said the school would open Monday as usual.

Andrews Principal Monique Wallace declined to comment on the incident Friday afternoon.

When classes let out, many of the students followed her example and said they didn't want the incident to be blown out of proportion or to taint their school's reputation.

"We can't speculate on what this is," Conway said. "We don't know enough about it yet or even know whether this was something anyone at the school or our community did."

Several parents and school board members said the school was dealing well with a potentially explosive situation.

"My wife and I went over early in the day, while school was still in session," said Joe Alston, whose son JJ is a senior at Andrews. "Our biggest concern was how the kids would react, but they didn't seem phased by it one way or the other. I think the principal and staff did an excellent job not letting it affect the learning environment."

Alston, who is also president of the High Point chapter of the NAACP, said whoever hung the nooses should be prosecuted.

"Whoever did this — for whatever reason they did it — it's a very serious matter," Alston said. "The kids at this school don't deserve this."

Andrews has been the target of prejudice for years, Alston said.

"You have a higher percentage of inner-city, low-income students coming to Andrews," Alston said. "Because of that, you have all of the tags and perceptions that comes with, and people view Andrews and High Point Central as lower-caliber schools, which is certainly not the case."

Dot Kearns, an at-large school board member, said she agreed that Andrews has had to overcome racial and social stereotypes.

"Andrews has had its problems, but I've always thought that it was a prototype of what an urban school should be," Kearns said. "Finding nooses there, that kind of thing is so sad, so disappointing."

Contact Joe Killian at 883-4422, Ext. 228, or jkillian@news-record.com

Kevin 09-22-2007 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1525679)
that is because you are not getting it into that thick cranium that Jena is not the only place where stuff like this is happening.

That's right I forget....you....can't....relate.

Excuse yourself from this now.

I hope that criminals get locked up wherever they may be. Apparently, for you, this is not the case?

Kevin 09-22-2007 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1525704)
(amazingly one of those thugs that you assumed would be back in jail in the future was on his way to college...I guess we can't 'assume' that he can change his life...easier to lock up the animal than educate him huh?)

Yes.. we should definitely let all athletes off the hook. You want to talk about double standards. That's a big 'ol can of worms right there.

This kid wasn't college bound for his academics.

...he probably would have fit in just fine at the University of Texas.

AKA_Monet 09-23-2007 12:17 AM

Interesting study...
 
Racism's Cognitive Toll: Subtle Discrimination Is More Taxing On The Brain

Science Daily — While certain expressions of racism are absent from our world today, you do not have to look very hard to know that more subtle forms of racism persist, in schools and workplaces and elsewhere.

How do victims experience these more ambiguous racist messages? Are they less damaging than overt hostility? And what are the mental and emotional pathways by which these newer forms of discrimination actually cause personal harm?

Psychologists have some theories about how the experience of racism plays out in the brain--and what that means today compared to before. All human beings are driven by a few core needs, including the need to understand the world around us. When people do things to us, we must know why, and if we are uncertain we will spend whatever cognitive power we have available to diagnose the situation.

Read the rest right here.

I am staying out of this discussion for personal reasons, but I do find the above quite interesting

christiangirl 09-23-2007 05:23 AM

*sliding DaemonSeid $200.99+tax and asking if PayPal is acceptable*

Those pictures were priceless. especially the sign that said "Not All White People Are Crazy." :cool:

Monet: Thanks for the psychological spin. That's my language right there. :D

All I have to say about this thread is this rightchere: "Don’t argue with fools becuse people from a distance can’t tell who is who." Stay focused on the topic and if people wanna go astray, let them go...all by themselves. If anybody hears more news, lemme know.

DSTCHAOS 09-23-2007 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1525656)
In the us??? You're wanting to turn the imprisonment of a few thugs into something a lot bigger than it is.

Are you serious right now?

Velocity_14 09-23-2007 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl (Post 1525789)
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All I have to say about this thread is this rightchere: "Don’t argue with fools becuse people from a distance can’t tell who is who." Stay focused on the topic and if people wanna go astray, let them go...all by themselves. If anybody hears more news, lemme know.

YES!!!! Thankyou christiangirl!!!


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