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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Just because I say things which offend you, theres no reason to get angry. The fact is, I'm correct. I'm not close minded, I'm just right. I'm not unaware of the big world out there, I've seen it, and I'm still right. The playing field is level. Everyone can go to school. Everyone can get a job. All it takes is hard work. Believe it or not, all people are dealt a tough hand at one time or another. It is apparent that you prefer to wallow in that difficulty, and that you support others who do the same. I'm sorry that you'd rather blame such problems on the big white devil, because the real and usual cause, laziness, is too much for you to bear. So basically, you just proved my point about the black community. People like you are patting the black community on the head and telling them, "Its ok, its not your fault. Just wait, yell loud enough and maybe it'll get fixed." I'm sure that'll be very helpful in the long run.

I really enjoyed your comment regarding how you're "running circles around me." Obviously that came as quite a surprise, seeing as you've yet to make a statement of substance. From reading your posts, I've yet to see a rational argument, nor anything to support one of your arguments.

If being realistic makes me a twit, then by all means, I am. Its very difficult being me, not being blinded by the media or leftist sentiment, but I make do. Its tough though, telling people like yourself the truth, and watching as they make some sort of nonsensical outburst in order to protect their narcissistic sense of self. I'm gonna help you out here, in hopes that we can all catch a break from your "But I am smart! I am!" claims. You are very intelligent. You may be the smartest person on Greekchat, congratulations.

acutally, you don't offend me so ease off with your delusions of grandeur, lol. i reply because i feel like it and it's somewhat enjoyable to make fun of you. good job, captain obvious.

i do find it ironic that you of all people would critique my posts considering the well of ignorant and foolishness that seems to spout everytime you click reply. but hey, whatever...stupid people never know when they're stupid.

it's in your massively inept excuse for a brain that you would ever think that the field is level. look up the term white privelege. you might actually learn something, i think the author dumbed it down for a 2nd grade reading level. i don't support laziness or lack of hard work, but trying to discuss racial inequalities in america with someone who has no clue what's going on outside of a sheltered little world is like discussing remedial math with a corpse.

i did notice no matter how hard the white kids in my program worked....they alway seem to fare far less than the asian kids. maybe it's because they're just smart enough. using your logic, sounds like a pretty sound concept.

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Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I don't see this in my own personal experience nor in tellings of the first-hand experiences of "minorities." So, I have two questions. First, in short, how do you find that the playing field has been leveled? And, two, how do you account for the shared negative experiences of so many "minorities" in the U.S.? (Do you think people are lying?)

this idiot thinks that institutionalized racism is just a figment of the "silly minorities" imagination.

Ok then, genius, define institutionalized racism. Be specific. Don't just throw out accusations. Lets have an actual debate if you want.

Asian kids are very intelligent. I don't know if they're naturally more intelligent than us, but it seems that way at times. Perhaps they just work that much harder, I don't know.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

White people don't cause the wealth difference.

really? so i guess that explains barring minorities from education and from employment had nothing to do with the wealth difference? gentrication had nothing to do with the wealth difference? jim crow had nothing to do with the wealth difference?

old habits die hard, and 40 years doesn't erase centuries of oppression.

So what you're saying is that limited opportunities then translates into limited opportunities now? All it takes is one generation, one person to decide to break the mold. Happens with white people all the time, and I imagine it happens with black people as well. It still does not explain why black kids from my high school, whose fathers were well educated Delta pilots, decided they'd rather not go to college. But you're right, I'm sure popular black culture had nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Asian kids are very intelligent. I don't know if they're naturally more intelligent than us, but it seems that way at times. Perhaps they just work that much harder, I don't know.

asians have the highest SAT scores in the country. i guess using your logic for an APTITUDE test, yea they're smarter than whites.

Starang, I'm not objecting. They probably are. Theres probably not an asian on earth with math skills as poor as mine.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

no, that's not what i'm saying but all of a sudden giving someone a book who has never been able to read, you act like they're all of a sudden going to start spitting shakespeare within a few minutes. things take time, and they don't change over night. it takes WAY more than one generation when you start out with nothing. if that was the case, then there would be more rags to riches stories than we could shake a stick at. and no, it doesn't happen with white people all the time, you just wish it would. because i know a lot of rich white kids who wanted to just waste daddys money and not amount to anythign.

and look at the statistics for minorities in college comparitively to years ago. there's a far higher percentage now than ever before. but it's still got a long way to go.

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Ok then, genius, define institutionalized racism. Be specific. Don't just throw out accusations. Lets have an actual debate if you want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_racism

from jim crow laws, to the chinese exclusion act, ect. the list goes on and on.

you don't get to the top of the mountain in one day.

But what I'm looking for from you, is whether you really think that the white community is actively holding down the black community in our modern society. If not, do you think the leadership of the black community is moving the community in the right direction?

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

who knows? maybe not as prevalent or as obvious, but like i said old habits die hard and old stereotypes and practices don't go away with just the drop of a hat.

but don't ask me, i'm not the spokesman for anyone.

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

Wait a minute shiner, are you saying she is NOT "above genius level IQ"?!?! Step out of your neat little box, twit!

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I'm confused, my post is not edited (you can see that), and I spelled genius correctly. What exactly are you trying to do, edit my own post?

Anybody can see that shiner is bringing substance to the argument and you are talking out of your ass. Go ahead and call me some names, because you sure as hell don't bring any intelligence to the conversation. Oh I forgot, you're a genuis...right? Must be over my head.

Dayum. Can ya'll take this post to another discussion board? Will the moderator PULEEEEEZ close this thread?

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Originally Posted by starang21

You are correct, they don't just start "spitting shakespeare". That argument would apply if they were born in the 50s 60s and maybe even the 70s. Most kids that go to college and especially high school these days were born in the 80s. That means they can't blame anybody but themselves for personal failures. They attended public schools just like anybody else. Even if they attended a school in a poor neighborhood, the only thing holding them back is peer pressure and personal responsibility. Lots of cases, the fact that they are from a poor neighborhood will help them get things such as admission to a university and scholarships. The "white man" can't be blamed for personal choices kids make when they DECIDE pursue popular black culture (read: 50 cent) instead of having the foresight to make good grades and go to college.

In my personal experience most of the black kids in my public high school (2nd biggest in TX and one of the richest) fell into the same fate. They followed black culture, tried to act "ghetto", some went to jail, others are still hanging out in town selling drugs, others are working low paying jobs with no plans to attend college. I'm not saying there is not exceptions, I am good friends with a black guy that graduated with me that goes to my university. But unfortunately, this is the exception not the norm, at least in my experience. Can their failures be blamed on the "white man" when their parents sent them to a great "blue ribbon" school and when their parents make ~6 figure incomes?? Ofcoarse not, but don't ask them, they will tell you it is. This is the hypocrisy that I often refer to.