haha..that is kind off ironic that you typed a blue face after that, and unfortunately, I have yet to learn that level of self control, I enjoy a good argument wayyy too much..sometimes i get a bit carried away though haha

I just wanted to say that is REALLY PRETTY. On the real.

I know, in looking for a group to try and pledge with, I don't feel I want to be hazed.

I think when I get into college I am kind of an adult while young, not stupid.

Ar 6' 3' and 185 pounds I do not feel good about someone beating on me or making me do things that I do not care for!

I wonder if greek life is like this why should I care about joining?

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Some really good stuff in here, I see both sides of the argument.

You are correct when you say that hazing began before WWII but incorect in its meaning. Back even before slavery, there was a reason why Africans stayed so close knit to those who looked like them, not only because they could partially understand each other because when they were chained together with the other 114 different tribes and clans of people, they fought and looked out for each other. This is what hazing is modeled after, it creates a bond between you and your lb or ls when you protect them from any danger or harm as they will always return the favor. Africans were chained with people they may or may not have known but they had to to work together in order to survive.

^^^ Pssst. That post is 8 years old. I don't think Melchisedic, who never actually registered as a user, is around to read it.

ORLY?

What's the word for that thing when you give a new meaning to something after the fact?

I see you changing my quote :p

I'm currently on line now as an underground pledge in my school (since any form of pledging here is illegal). And I'm coming up against hazing which I think is being taken extremely out of hand. My heart and soul are in this but I don't think my body can take much more abuse, and we haven't even made it to the pledge class yet! I don't want to drop but I don't want to end up in the hospital either....I honestly don't know what to do.

Your organization probably has a hazing prevention hotline. I'd go that route first.

Really though, by continuing to cover this up, you're risking your academic career and even potential criminal liability.

Your call though. Good luck.

if they're underground, it's not their org.

Depends on what he meant by underground. You can be underground with your school, but a bona fide member of your organization.