So the President is the reason that we can't hire good qualified teachers to teach our kids? How is healthcare in shambles? We have the best and most advanced healthcare in the world. When people in other countries get sick, they come to the US for treatment (when available). People not having healthcare b/c their employer doesn't provide it doesn't mean our system is in shambles.

Messed up economy??? Didn't the economy take its largest downturn around 9/11? And wasn't that in the first 3 month's of Bush's first term? That falls on Mr. Clinton. 9/11 was planned for years, it didn't happen in 3 months. Actually, 9/11 falls on many presidents before Bush (indluding his father) that failed to pull the trigger when they had Osama Bin Laden in their crosshairs.

Actually on the education side, No Child Left Behind actually hurt elementary schools that were doing well beforehand.

Not really. We certainly have world-class facilities for some illnesses (cancer comes to mind) but our primary care is only comparable to what many other countries offer.

Exactly

and in case some of us havent been paying attention:

- Drs have begun scaling back their practices because they cannot afford the liability costs or the rising insurance costs..this has been happening since 2004

- Some of US can't afford to go due to rising premiums

- Medicare has been a mess for years even with the reforms

- Wonder why you see so many homeless people? Check the mental institutions where some of those folks should have been. When insurance runs out or can't afford to prolong their care,there is no place to put them BUT out on the streets.

(whole 'nother thread...believe me!)


We may have the 'best' healthcare in the world but many of us can't afford it on BOTH sides...patients and providers.

actually jeni, ufpkia has a point, to a certain point

(both of you are right, however)

I have worked in direct patient care for almost 20 years and I have seen many times where people have come to the states to be treated for illnesses first before they have gone to otehr facilities in other parts of the world.

But what is interesting is because we teach so many foreign doctors, we should think about how many will go home with their knowledge and open up those comparable facilities to heal those who need it and who knows?

Possibly charge even less or comparable prices to get healed.

Most certainly would save on a trip and then there is the possibility that they would be more comfortable being treated by one of their own.

How is the economy right now?

Forget 2001...right. now.

It wouldn't be where it is right now if it didn't decrease in 2001. I can agree with you that Bush hasn't helped the economy. War is always a drain on the economy and it was ultimately his decision to go to war. We would still not be in the greatest economy in history if you take out the effects of 9/11, but it is what it is because of the past.

There are a lot of things that contributed to today's economy, and you can't look at the status of today, without looking at the past.

We get it, DS. You don't like Bush. And because you don't like him, you think it's acceptable for him to be assaulted. You're not going to change anyone's opinion regarding whether or not it's ok to assault a U.S. President by pointing out Bush's shortcomings. You approve of assaults on the POTUS, and most of the rest of us don't. Just leave it at that.

(Go on, get in the last word. You know you want to.)

And while I agree with you on that point, hasn't it been mentioned for a long while that unless the US did things differently, we could have avoided the economic mess that we are in now.

There have been warnings since at least 2004 (we can google and see what we come up with) that we were headed in that direction.

Kinda like driving a car past several signs saying the bridge is out and wondering why now your car is headed for a rocky bottom.

I agree. I hope it didn't come off like I am the biggest Bush supporter on earth, I just support the the POTUS (unless it can be factually proven that he is no longer worthy of that support).

Since you asked....

I wasn't trying to.

I dodn't want anyone trying to change mine's which is what everyone else in my eyes, was and is trying to do.

To be clear so that you aren't putting words in my mouth.

I don't approve of assaults on the POTUS especially when you are doing your job, but BUSH, the flesh and blood human who failed in a leadership position of POTUS, earned that shoe.

You want respect, respect is earned.

So yeah, in that aspect, IMO Bush had it coming.

Now we are done.

No we're not.

This is all illogical and does not follow, and you contradict yourself in this very post.

Simply put, you're wrong, and not in the "I disagree with your opinion" sense - in the "this is malarkey tripe" sense.

See how easy appeals to authority are? Difference is, mine are right. See how easy that was too?

LMAO LMAO LMAO.....THAT'S WHAT HE GET!!!!!!

Forgetting the rest of this... Because this quote makes me think you're an idiot.

9/11 means 11 September

The president takes office 20 January.

How is that 3 months on any planet?

Damn.

Good catch!