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Unregistered- 01-01-2008 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1572096)
Way to start a bowl game, Michigan.. with a 93 yard trek to that first touchdown. GO BLUE!

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1572201)
Congrats to Michigan and Lloyd Carr.
SEC domination no more!!!!

The boy's a Michigan alumnus and this season he made me wake up at 7am on Saturdays just to watch the Michigan games, and, well...you know what kind of season they've had. What a way to send off the seniors and Coach Carr!

The boy is in Fort Myers, FL with 30 of his family members right now (the majority of whom are alums as well). It's pure pandemonium.

It was really, really, nice to see an SEC team go down for once. :)

nittanyalum 01-01-2008 06:14 PM

Oop, you beat me to it, Benz. ;) I was just going to check in to see how SEC"dom" is doing -- you ok, guy? Still with us? What a game.

What's really crazy is that you all now have me rooting FOR Michigan and Ohio State, 2 things I swore I'd never do. I started off just batting back and forth with the Frat-tastic One who kept dismissing Big 10 football as a whole (while his team plays in the ACC -- ?!?). But now, in the interest of wanting to see the SEC eat the enormous egos they've displayed here, I was screaming for the Wolverines and I guess I'll be doing the same for the Buckeyes.

So though I have to hold my nose while saying it, GO BLUE.

ETA: No offense to my sisters from 2 those institutions and the ones they love... ;) :)

jon1856 01-01-2008 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1572096)
Way to start a bowl game, Michigan.. with a 93 yard trek to that first touchdown. GO BLUE!



Quote:

Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1572201)
Congrats to Michigan and Lloyd Carr.



SEC domination no more!!!!

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1572213)
Thank you Sister!!!!! Michigan tried to give the game away numerous times and Florida still didn't win it! I'm quite happy for my Dad and brother though (who were at the game in their Michigan gear) and especially for Chad Henne and Lloyd Carr.

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1572214)
The boy's a Michigan alumnus and this season he made me wake up at 7am on Saturdays just to watch the Michigan games, and, well...you know what kind of season they've had. What a way to send off the seniors and Coach Carr!

The boy is in Fort Myers, FL with 30 of his family members right now (the majority of whom are alums as well). It's pure pandemonium.

It was really, really, nice to see an SEC team go down for once. :)

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1572217)
Oop, you beat me to it, Benz. ;) I was just going to check in to see how SEC"dom" is doing -- you ok, guy? Still with us? What a game.

What's really crazy is that you all now have me rooting FOR Michigan and Ohio State, 2 things I swore I'd never do. I started off just batting back and forth with the Frat-tastic One who kept dismissing Big 10 football as a whole (while his team plays in the ACC -- ?!?). But now, in the interest of wanting to see the SEC eat the enormous egos they've displayed here, I was screaming for the Wolverines and I guess I'll be doing the same for the Buckeyes.

So though I have to hold my nose while saying it, GO BLUE.

To ALL of the above-YES!
And I too may be forced to think some sort of positive thoughts for the team from Ohio:eek:
BTB-From what I heard during the game, both Michigan and Ohio own the SEC.

PM_Mama00 01-01-2008 06:33 PM

Thank You Loyd. Many doubted you, but your true fans always stood by you. Thank you for doing Michigan (and Riverview!) proud!

AGDee 01-01-2008 06:35 PM

I'll be rooting for OSU too. I won't even sing the alternate fight song that a Detroit disc jockey wrote years ago. First I root for Michigan, then all other Big 10 teams... even OSU!

Benzgirl 01-01-2008 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1572214)


It was really, really, nice to see an SEC team go down for once. :)

Twice today :D. Where is our friend SECDomination to update his tally. ....Oh, he's sulking.

Benzgirl 01-01-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1572217)
What's really crazy is that you all now have me rooting FOR Michigan and Ohio State, 2 things I swore I'd never do. I started off just batting back and forth with the Frat-tastic One who kept dismissing Big 10 football as a whole (while his team plays in the ACC -- ?!?). But now, in the interest of wanting to see the SEC eat the enormous egos they've displayed here, I was screaming for the Wolverines and I guess I'll be doing the same for the Buckeyes.

;) :)

Add Wisconsin to that. Too bad, they could have won their game today, but had a lot of mistakes. I always root for all the Big 10 teams in bowl games.

FHwku 01-01-2008 08:07 PM

Michigan-Florida was fun game to watch. Henne had almost as many passing yards as FL had totaled offensively. Congrats on ending your bowl drought, UM.

bowl records so far
SEC 5-2
B10 3-4 (including the loss USC is about to hand ILL)

including this game, since 2000, Florida has faced a Big Ten team in a bowl game 6 times. the two wins came in `06 and `07.

OSU doesn't fair so well against SEC teams in bowl games though. i think it's something like 0-8 in those situations.

PhiGam 01-01-2008 08:51 PM

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!!!!
It was weird seeing Michigan run a spread offense and use trick plays, the era of "4 yards and a cloud of dust" is officially over in Ann Arbor.

PhiGam 01-01-2008 08:51 PM

The team with the best fight song won every game today, just an observation.

The1calledTKE 01-01-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1572295)
The team with the best fight song won every game today, just an observation.

Notre Dame played a bowl game? :p

AOIIalum 01-01-2008 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1572295)
The team with the best fight song won every game today, just an observation.

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Originally Posted by The1calledTKE (Post 1572303)
Notre Dame played a bowl game? :p

I may rot in hell, but that made me chuckle.

UofISigKap 01-01-2008 10:44 PM

I'm bummed, but then again, Illinois far surpassed expectations. I can't be too upset.

DeltAlum 01-01-2008 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UofISigKap (Post 1572355)
I'm bummed, but then again, Illinois far surpassed expectations. I can't be too upset.

I thought your defense held its own, but turnovers and lack of a real passing game hurt.

That, and the fact that SC (Southern Cal) is pretty damned good and very well coached.

Congratulations on the season, though.

jon1856 01-01-2008 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltAlum (Post 1572367)
I thought your defense held its own, but turnovers and lack of a real passing game hurt.

That, and the fact that SC (Southern Cal) is pretty damned good and very well coached.

Congratulations on the season, though.

Coached by a Brother SAE:D:)

jojapeach 01-01-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1572261)
Twice today :D. Where is our friend SECDomination to update his tally. ....Oh, he's sulking.

Probably more like waiting for the final outcome of the SUGAr Bowl before giving a final tally. All I have for you is the SEC is 5-2. I'm enjoying the Sugar Bowl, but I'm not counting Hawaii out just because the score is 24-3.

NOTE: I'll be beyond PO'ed if Hawaii winds up winning because it would've been a jinx. I drove by a Delta Airlines digital billboard in downtown ATL last night around 1 AM. The billboard showed someone thrusting a red UGA helmet in the air with a black background. The billboard simply read "Congratulations Bulldogs".

WTH??? Delta wasn't "congratulating" us the days before Jan. 1, and I didn't like that presumptous message before the game was played. What crap.

The1calledTKE 01-01-2008 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jojapeach (Post 1572372)
NOTE: I'll be beyond PO'ed if Hawaii winds up winning because it would've been a jinx.

I hear that! I missed the Delta sign, thats just silly doing it that early.

The1calledTKE 01-02-2008 02:01 AM

Undefeated no more.

Great win by Georgia. They sure did make Colt their tackling dummy.

http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2008/...oltbrennan.jpg

Kevin 01-02-2008 02:07 AM

Yep. Hawaii had as much business being in the Sugar as Illinois had in being in the Rose.

As a Big XII fan, I'm still a little ticked that Mizzou, with the better record got left out of the picture despite the fact that they had actually beaten Illinois.

em_adpi 01-02-2008 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1572439)
Yep. Hawaii had as much business being in the Sugar as Illinois had in being in the Rose.

As a Big XII fan, I'm still a little ticked that Mizzou, with the better record got left out of the picture despite the fact that they had actually beaten Illinois.


No kidding. I thought the whole Mizzou thing was ridiculous. But hey, they won their bowl game.

efcheerBB 01-02-2008 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1572217)
What's really crazy is that you all now have me rooting FOR Michigan and Ohio State, 2 things I swore I'd never do. I started off just batting back and forth with the Frat-tastic One who kept dismissing Big 10 football as a whole (while his team plays in the ACC -- ?!?). But now, in the interest of wanting to see the SEC eat the enormous egos they've displayed here, I was screaming for the Wolverines and I guess I'll be doing the same for the Buckeyes.

So though I have to hold my nose while saying it, GO BLUE.

ETA: No offense to my sisters from 2 those institutions and the ones they love... ;) :)

I am definitely a MSU girl first (even though they didn't win the game vs. BC) but yesterday I was happy with Michigan winning and can't wait for the big game so I can cheer on OSU. I always root for the Big Ten in bowl games.

SthrnZeta 01-02-2008 11:57 AM

I almost felt bad for Hawaii - I mean, they obviously weren't used to playing a real team so they were soooo unprepared for the Dawgs. I honestly thought they'd do a little better and put up more of a fight since they're undefeated and all... but I gotta say - I so called that :D Georgia handed them their only loss of the year and it was almost not fun to watch ;)

jojapeach 01-02-2008 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SthrnZeta (Post 1572555)
I almost felt bad for Hawaii - I mean, they obviously weren't used to playing a real team so they were soooo unprepared for the Dawgs. I honestly thought they'd do a little better and put up more of a fight since they're undefeated and all... but I gotta say - I so called that :D Georgia handed them their only loss of the year and it was almost not fun to watch ;)

I actually stopped watching early in the 4th Quarter. I was holding on to hope that Hawaii would start to put up a fight. I even felt that a UGA player showed bad sportsmanship by throwing up the Hang 10 sign after a big play.

At least they got a touchdown in, and the fans and the band went WILD! It was great to watch that moment because you would've thought the Warriors were scoring the winning touchdown. I kinda feel bad for Colt Brennan though. It has to suck that the 2nd String QB was responsible for Hawaii's only touchdown.


Great quotes from ESPN.com:

"We're No. 1," Georgia safety Kelin Johnson proclaimed. "We're supposed to be in the national championship game. The nation knows it, everyone knows it."

"It was the fastest team I've probably ever seen," Brennan said. "We just couldn't get into our groove and do what we wanted to do."

Full article: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=280010061

jojapeach 01-02-2008 02:27 PM

Oh why the hell not...
 
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Sports/a..._080102_ms.jpg

Caption from ABCnews.com: "Georgia's Quintin Banks (31), Brandon Miller (12), T.J. Gartrell (83), Michael Moore (82) and Jarius Wynn (99) celebrates with fans after their 41-10 win over Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl football game at the Superdome, in New Orleans, Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2008. (Dave Martin/AP Photo)"

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008...ard_sq_300.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/2...bmzCeiZxvFsg--

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids...kIW2psE3hNuQ--

Unregistered- 01-02-2008 03:42 PM

I guess I'll be the gracious loser :p
 
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Originally Posted by jojapeach (Post 1572620)
At least they got a touchdown in, and the fans and the band went WILD! It was great to watch that moment because you would've thought the Warriors were scoring the winning touchdown. I kinda feel bad for Colt Brennan though. It has to suck that the 2nd String QB was responsible for Hawaii's only touchdown.

...

"We're No. 1," Georgia safety Kelin Johnson proclaimed. "We're supposed to be in the national championship game. The nation knows it, everyone knows it."

The fact that Tyler was able to step in is a good sign for next year.

And I have to agree, UGA deserved to be in the national championship game. The Bulldogs played a great game, but they really should have been playing next week.

Thanks, GC, for not rubbing it in too much. It still stings.

Go Ohio State!

BuckeyeTriDelta 01-02-2008 03:47 PM

OTW..do I see a Go Ohio State at the bottom of that post?:eek:
Can it be....

SthrnZeta 01-02-2008 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1572695)
The fact that Tyler was able to step in is a good sign for next year.

And I have to agree, UGA deserved to be in the national championship game. The Bulldogs played a great game, but they really should have been playing next week.

Thanks, GC, for not rubbing it in too much. It still stings.

Go Ohio State!

UGA certainly deserved to be in THE game, I agree. J was saying that he thought it would have been great to see UGA and USC play - more evenly matched game. And Brennan was right - UGA was just too fast for them. The teams just weren't evenly matched so it wasn't exactly a fun game to watch, even for a UGA fan.

Unregistered- 01-02-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeTriDelta (Post 1572699)
OTW..do I see a Go Ohio State at the bottom of that post?:eek:
Can it be....

Thank God my BF doesn't read GC because if he did, he might very well dump me for saying such nonsense. But hey, throw me on the anti-arrogance bandwagon. ;) I'd rather see Ohio State come up on top for this one.

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Originally Posted by SthrnZeta (Post 1572700)
UGA certainly deserved to be in THE game, I agree. J was saying that he thought it would have been great to see UGA and USC play - more evenly matched game. And Brennan was right - UGA was just too fast for them. The teams just weren't evenly matched so it wasn't exactly a fun game to watch, even for a UGA fan.

I bet. UGA was one pissed off football team, and that was totally obvious yesterday. :D

TSteven 01-02-2008 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1572261)
Twice today :D. Where is our friend SECDomination to update his tally. ....Oh, he's sulking.

I think he was at the game yesterday! I'm fairly certain I saw him on t.v. ;)

jojapeach 01-02-2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SthrnZeta (Post 1572700)
UGA certainly deserved to be in THE game, I agree. J was saying that he thought it would have been great to see UGA and USC play - more evenly matched game. And Brennan was right - UGA was just too fast for them. The teams just weren't evenly matched so it wasn't exactly a fun game to watch, even for a UGA fan.

I barely tuned in for the Rose Bowl, but I saw enough. I really wish I could've seen two great teams go head to head. Honestly, I really wanted to see UGA up against any one to wrap up the season, but USC would've been better. Just to see them....

TSteven 01-02-2008 04:29 PM

Current Conference Bowl Standings

Southeastern: 6-2 75.00% (Louisiana State v. Ohio State)
Pacific Ten: 4-2 66.67% (conference bowl season over)
Big Twelve: 4-2 66.67% (Oklahoma v. West Virginia, Kansas v. Virginia Tech)
Big Ten: 3-4 42.86% (Ohio State v. Louisiana State)
Big East: 1-2 33.33% (West Virginia v. Oklahoma, Rutgers v. Ball State)
Atlantic Coast: 2-5 28.57% (Virginia Tech v. Kansas)

TSteven 01-02-2008 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1572439)
Yep. Hawaii had as much business being in the Sugar as Illinois had in being in the Rose.

The BCS rules state that only two teams from a conference may play in the BCS bowls (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar, BCS Title Game). As such, if Hawaii or Illinois didn't belong in their BCS game, which team from which two conferences not already represented - Atlantic Coast, Big East, Pacific Ten - would you have selected? Or do you feel the restriction to only two teams per conference should be lifted?

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1572439)
As a Big XII fan, I'm still a little ticked that Mizzou, with the better record got left out of the picture despite the fact that they had actually beaten Illinois.

With the understanding that only up to two Big Twelve teams may play in a BCS bowl, would you have put Mizzou in the Orange instead of Kansas? Frankly, I found it odd that KU was selected over Mizzou.

em_adpi 01-02-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 1572771)
With the understanding that only up to two Big Twelve teams may play in a BCS bowl, would you have put Mizzou in the Orange instead of Kansas? Frankly, I found it odd that KU was selected over Mizzou.

I know you weren't asking me, but I'll answer anyway. YES.

sigtau305 01-02-2008 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SthrnZeta (Post 1572555)
I almost felt bad for Hawaii - I mean, they obviously weren't used to playing a real team so they were soooo unprepared for the Dawgs. I honestly thought they'd do a little better and put up more of a fight since they're undefeated and all... but I gotta say - I so called that :D Georgia handed them their only loss of the year and it was almost not fun to watch ;)

I'm happy Hawaii made it to the big time even though Georgia gave them a beatdown. :cool:

Kevin 01-02-2008 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TSteven (Post 1572771)
The BCS rules state that only two teams from a conference may play in the BCS bowls (Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar, BCS Title Game). As such, if Hawaii or Illinois didn't belong in their BCS game, which team from which two conferences not already represented - Atlantic Coast, Big East, Pacific Ten - would you have selected? Or do you feel the restriction to only two teams per conference should be lifted?

I have no problem with the automatic placement of BCS champions. I do think that the at-large spots, at least should be opened up. I think this year illustrates that pretty well.

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With the understanding that only up to two Big Twelve teams may play in a BCS bowl, would you have put Mizzou in the Orange instead of Kansas? Frankly, I found it odd that KU was selected over Mizzou.
I'd absolutely have Mizzou in rather than KU. Missouri beat Kansas, they beat another BCS team in their OOC. They only losses were to Oklahoma (twice). I don't think KU will do very well against VT. I think Mizzou-VT would have been a hell of a game though.

Benzgirl 01-02-2008 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SECdomination (Post 1572830)
Congratulations Michigan fans...it was not deserved, but very well earned.

That is rude:mad:

PhiGam 01-02-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SECdomination (Post 1572830)
Congratulations Michigan fans...it was not deserved, but very well earned.

My Gators may have played poorly and ended the season with a loss, but rest assured, the LSU Tigers will NOT!
Bring on another beating for Ohio State, bring on the SEC dominance, and bring on Emmanuel Moody and a No.1 Preseason ranking in 2008!

I was really happy for Lloyd Carr, hes a very nice guy who I've had the pleasure of talking to on numerous occasions. It was pretty cool seeing Michigan running a spread, they should have been running it all year with their personnel.
And what do you mean by not deserved? They took advantage of your weak secondary and put up almost 600 yards.

jojapeach 01-02-2008 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SECdomination (Post 1572852)
A team that lost to App State, Oregon, Wisconsin, and Ohio State does not deserve to win the Capital One bowl. There is no doubt that they earned the win though.

Michigan was the better team yesterday, and no one can debate that. It was Florida State/Kentucky all over again. They kept trying to help us out, but we couldn't do it.

Never in my life will I let a Michigan alum that dares to speak of college football live that first loss down. Never.

@SECdomination - I'm glad you can admit the entire truth of the matter.

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Originally Posted by SECdomination (Post 1572830)
Congratulations Michigan fans...it was not deserved, but very well earned.

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1572831)
That is rude:mad:


Aww, Pot! That's so nice of you to introduce yourself to Kettle. ;)

jon1856 01-02-2008 08:06 PM

I stand corrected
 
Seems as if I may have heard some stat incorrectly during the game on Tuesday:
Ohio State is 0-7 Against SEC Teams in Bowl Games

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/florida-football/2006/12/19/ohio-state-is-0-7-against-sec-teams-in-bowl-games/


TSteven 01-02-2008 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1572798)
I have no problem with the automatic placement of BCS champions. I do think that the at-large spots, at least should be opened up. I think this year illustrates that pretty well.

I'd absolutely have Mizzou in rather than KU. Missouri beat Kansas, they beat another BCS team in their OOC. They only losses were to Oklahoma (twice). I don't think KU will do very well against VT. I think Mizzou-VT would have been a hell of a game though.

While I am not an advocate for the current BCS system, I do appreciate that they are attempting to spread the wealth both literally and figuratively. As such, saying that a conference champion has the right to play in a bowl game *if* it ends up ranked in the BCS top twelve, does have its merits. Otherwise, we would not have had last year's Fiesta Bowl match up. Nor should we say that in hindsight, just because a team gets creamed in their bowl game they did not deserve to be there. We only have to look at Ohio State in last year's BCS title game and/or Oklahoma in the 2004 title game as examples. There are plenty of folk who felt both teams deserved to be in the title game and yet both were soundly defeated.

It does seem that generally speaking, over the years the BCS selection does seem to work. Again to be clear, I am talking all five BCS bowl games (BCS Title, Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar) and not just the BCS Title game. (That is another different discussion.) Basically, the main issue I have with this season's BCS games is that and that Kansas was selected over Missouri for the Orange Bowl. Not that KU does not deserve a BCS game, but just that if only two teams are allowed to go from a conference to a BCS bowl, then I would hope they would be the two "best" teams. The other "minor" issue is that Illinois was selected for the Rose Bowl. But at least I do understand the historical (traditional) reason for the Rose Bowl to take Illinois so that there is a Pacific Ten versus Big Ten match up. So it does not seem like such a bad choice given the tradition of the Rose Bowl.

As such, if we use the BCS premise that all six of the BCS conference champions (Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big Twelve, Pacific Ten, Southeastern) are guaranteed a BCS bowl (BCS Title, Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar), followed by any other conference (Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Western Athletic) champion that finishes in the BCS top twelve, then if we use the BCS final regular season rankings, only Missouri got screwed. And perhaps Illinois should not have gone to the Rose Bowl. Perhaps Missouri in the Rose and Arizona State in Orange.

guaranteed BCS bowl team bolded

BCS Standings
01 Ohio State - Required to play in the BCS Title game as number one ranked BCS team
02 Louisiana State - Required to play in the BCS Title game as number two ranked BCS team
03 Virginia Tech - ACC Champion, required to play in Orange
04 Oklahoma - Big Twelve Champion, required to play in Fiesta
05 Georgia - at large
06 Missouri
07 Southern California - Pacific Ten Champion, required to play in Rose Bowl
08 Kansas - at large
09 West Virginia - Big East Champion, required to play in *a* BCS bowl
10 Hawaii - Western Athletic Champion, required to play in *a* BCS bowl due to top twelve BCS standing
11 Arizona State
12 Florida
13 Illinois - at large

The same may be said if we use the AP final regular season rankings. Missouri got screwed and Illinois should not have gone to the Rose Bowl.

guaranteed BCS bowl team bolded

AP Standings
01 Ohio State - Required to play in the BCS Title game as number one ranked BCS team
02 Louisiana State - Required to play in the BCS Title game as number two ranked BCS team
03 Oklahoma - Big Twelve Champion, required to play in Fiesta
04 Georgia - at large
05 Virginia Tech - ACC Champion, required to play in Orange
06 Southern California - Pacific Ten Champion, required to play in Rose Bowl
07 Missouri
08 Kansas - at large
09 Florida
10 Hawaii - Western Athletic Champion, required to play in *a* BCS bowl due to top twelve BCS standing
11 West Virginia - Big East Champion, required to play in *a* BCS bowl
12 Arizona State
13 Illinois - at large

The bottom line seems to be that the BCS conferences (Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big Twelve, Pacific Ten, Southeastern) are not going to allow any one conference to have more than two members in a BCS game (BCS Title, Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar). The simple reason being financial. So there was no way that both Missouri and Kansas were going to get a bowl bid. But why Kansas, I do not know.


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