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SWTXBelle 03-06-2008 09:38 AM
I think Hillary and Obama should just do "rock, paper, scissors" to see who is the top of the ticket. Think of the campaign money it would save!

KAPital PHINUst 03-06-2008 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1613396)
Kap...so this means that you are among those who feel like there are NO good candidates this year and if possible, you would want a do over with new candidates?
Other than Ron Paul, that's exactly what I am saying (though I don't know if a do-over with new candidates will exactly calm my fears).


DaemonSeid 03-06-2008 10:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1613445)
Other than Ron Paul, that's exactly what I am saying (though I don't know if a do-over with new candidates will exactly calm my fears).
You sound like a whole bunch of conservatives I know...

Funny part was I was just discussing this isue in a podcast last night about how this a year in which there is somethign for everyone and on the flip, there are those that are nowhere near happy with the candidates.

For some, a shoe is on the other foot.

Drolefille 03-06-2008 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1613176)
This is probably going to come out wrong, because I'm typing but here goes:

I don't know if either of the Clinton's took out student loans. Maybe neither of them had to because their families were either already wealthy and just paid outright for it for their educations... maybe they started a nestegg when the two were born. (If they didn't get loans?)

Why does it matter if/when they did, and even if they did, why would it be wrong that they are already paid off? They are at least 10ish yrs older than the Obamas, and her husband was the President of the US for awhile and prior to that he was doing all kinds of snazzy jobs where I'm sure they would have used funds to pay off the loans if they did have them, they both had books, and I'm sure they get paid to give speeches and all, they would have to pay back their loans just like everyone else.

I took out student loans... a bunch... and I've been out of school for almost 3ish years now... guess what? I'm not a millionaire, I don't make an insane amount of money... but I've managed to pay off more than half of them already. I'm not even 27 yet. It can be done. Does that make me some super rich elitist person? No. I just lived on a tight budget and put whatever free money I could to pay off the bank.

I just don't get this whole "well I just paid off my college loans so see? I'm just like you! You should vote for me!!!!" stuff.

What does Bill Clinton's Presidential Library have to do with any of this? Him & Hill are two completely seperate different people.

Sorry but I'm not buying the whole "YEEEESSSS WEEEEE CAAAAAAN!!!" crap.
I don't know where the hell you went with this. I only pointed out that the "just paid off their student loans" appeals to many people as they too have struggled with debt. It doesn't make the Clintons "bad," it has nothing to do with them.

Others have explained why the Clinton tax returns are important and yes they are something that Obama is focusing on in response to Hillary's negative campaigning. But short answer: it looks SHADY that you can't release your tax returns until the campaign is almost over, the day before the PA primary in fact, when we're not talking about current returns but also past ones.

GeekyPenguin 03-06-2008 08:01 PM
To me, it's appealing that the Obamas understand firsthand how much student loans suck. Between my boyfriend and I, we'll have six figures - we both have college and law school loans. The real kicker is that we both went to law school for free and we still have over $100,000 in debt. :( I feel like Obama is going to understand this a little more than Bill and Hillary, who never really seemed to have issues paying off any loans they had from law school.

jon1856 03-06-2008 10:48 PM
R.N.C. Snaps Up Domain Names
 
R.N.C. Snaps Up Domain Names
Cannotrustclinton.com? clintonisbad.com? At least 25 domain names related to Hillary Rodham Clinton have links to the Republican National Committee: the names were either registered by the R.N.C. last year or showed up on servers the committee uses. Half a dozen seemed to guess at Mrs. Clinton’s eventual running mate, like clintonomalley.com, referring to Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland.
The day after Barack Obama won the Iowa caucuses, the R.N.C. snapped up at least 20 domains related to his candidacy. Some of them may signal the party’s future strategy: baracknotready.com and norealexperience.com. The party has also begun preemptively registering domains that could be used to attack John McCain, like mccainamigos.com, voteagainstmccain.com, flipflopmccain.com and hatemccain.com (ihatemccain.com was taken.)
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...-domain-names/

jon1856 03-06-2008 11:01 PM
In Re.: Taxes and Medical records:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200803060007?f=h_popular

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/8...weet06.article

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2008/...ap4741632.html

Munchkin03 03-07-2008 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1613870)
To me, it's appealing that the Obamas understand firsthand how much student loans suck. Between my boyfriend and I, we'll have six figures - we both have college and law school loans. The real kicker is that we both went to law school for free and we still have over $100,000 in debt. :( I feel like Obama is going to understand this a little more than Bill and Hillary, who never really seemed to have issues paying off any loans they had from law school.
When Bill and Hillary graduated from Yale, there was a system where everyone from their class who had taken out loans put them in a common pool, and paid back based on their income. As Hillary says in her book, it was great for them because they were public servants/working for the people right out of school (and yes, law professor at a state school is a public servant to me), but the people who went to big firms and stayed basically subsidized their law educations.

Also, we can't forget that the Clintons' Yale educations were possibly 10-25% of the cost of the Obamas' Harvard ones.

Whether or not the candidate knows the pain of student loans isn't that important to me...people of all socioeconomic backgrounds take them out, and some people pay them off right away, and others stretch out the payments to subsidize their lifestyles. One of our close family friends is a doctor, and 30 years out of med school, she buys a new car and boat every year, but guess what? She's still rocking out the loans (and makes smaller payments than most non-doctors I know).

LeslieAGD 03-07-2008 11:55 AM
Obama needs to start firing some of the people working for him who keep bringing about negative publicity. This is the third story in the last two weeks that I have heard where Obama has had to come out and apologize for the actions and comments of his campaign workers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/...hKv7fEpw0E1vAI

DaemonSeid 03-07-2008 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeslieAGD (Post 1614166)
Obama needs to start firing some of the people working for him who keep bringing about negative publicity. This is the third story in the last two weeks that I have heard where Obama has had to come out and apologize for the actions and comments of his campaign workers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/...hKv7fEpw0E1vAI
Maybe if we took her Pultizer prize from her, that'll teach her to shet da hellie up....LOL

it was also said in the report that Obama "decries such characterizations which have no place in this campaign."

I wonder if sometime soon if he will denounce and (at Hillary's request) reject her."

texas*princess 03-07-2008 12:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1614064)
When Bill and Hillary graduated from Yale, there was a system where everyone from their class who had taken out loans put them in a common pool, and paid back based on their income. As Hillary says in her book, it was great for them because they were public servants/working for the people right out of school (and yes, law professor at a state school is a public servant to me), but the people who went to big firms and stayed basically subsidized their law educations.

Also, we can't forget that the Clintons' Yale educations were possibly 10-25% of the cost of the Obamas' Harvard ones.

Whether or not the candidate knows the pain of student loans isn't that important to me...people of all socioeconomic backgrounds take them out, and some people pay them off right away, and others stretch out the payments to subsidize their lifestyles. One of our close family friends is a doctor, and 30 years out of med school, she buys a new car and boat every year, but guess what? She's still rocking out the loans (and makes smaller payments than most non-doctors I know).
this is where I was going with the whole student loan thing... though I admit I didn't say it as eloquently as Munchkin did.

I'd also add that going to college is a privilage, and not a right. If you want to go to college, grad, or medical, or law school, there is a price for it. If you don't have the money to pay in cash up front, you find another way if you want to go (i.e. take out loans) or work through college. If you take out loans, you start paying them back after you graduate.

There are even some programs (Teach for America for example) that will help you pay them if you teach or otherwise help out in certain ways.

What more do we really want?

The cost to go to college will always be rising. The demand is also rising. It's called economics.

I just don't like the fact that Obama is trying to use his "I just paid off my student loans, so I know what's it's like and I'm just like you so you should vote for me!!" to try to appeal to everyone.

jon1856 03-07-2008 12:53 PM
Obama adviser just resigned due to this:
Obama adviser says Clinton ‘a monster’

Apolgizes after telling newspaper rival candidate is stooping to low tactics

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23519392/

GeekyPenguin 03-07-2008 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1614064)
When Bill and Hillary graduated from Yale, there was a system where everyone from their class who had taken out loans put them in a common pool, and paid back based on their income. As Hillary says in her book, it was great for them because they were public servants/working for the people right out of school (and yes, law professor at a state school is a public servant to me), but the people who went to big firms and stayed basically subsidized their law educations.

Also, we can't forget that the Clintons' Yale educations were possibly 10-25% of the cost of the Obamas' Harvard ones.

Whether or not the candidate knows the pain of student loans isn't that important to me...people of all socioeconomic backgrounds take them out, and some people pay them off right away, and others stretch out the payments to subsidize their lifestyles. One of our close family friends is a doctor, and 30 years out of med school, she buys a new car and boat every year, but guess what? She's still rocking out the loans (and makes smaller payments than most non-doctors I know).
I did not know that - although since I already voted and I'm going to vote for either of them over McCain, it's sort of a moot point now. ;)

Drolefille 03-07-2008 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1614210)
this is where I was going with the whole student loan thing... though I admit I didn't say it as eloquently as Munchkin did.

I'd also add that going to college is a privilage, and not a right. If you want to go to college, grad, or medical, or law school, there is a price for it. If you don't have the money to pay in cash up front, you find another way if you want to go (i.e. take out loans) or work through college. If you take out loans, you start paying them back after you graduate.

There are even some programs (Teach for America for example) that will help you pay them if you teach or otherwise help out in certain ways.

What more do we really want?

The cost to go to college will always be rising. The demand is also rising. It's called economics.

I just don't like the fact that Obama is trying to use his "I just paid off my student loans, so I know what's it's like and I'm just like you so you should vote for me!!" to try to appeal to everyone.
I don't think he his, I've not seen him mention it and I've seen Michelle mention it once, maybe. And that might have been in 2004, not this campaign cycle. (Not that I've seen every speech but it's not discussed) It remains public knowledge, and it's something I added.

Hillary has the opportunity to make her point about financials whenever she chooses to do so.

Btw, who saw the report about Obama's campaign finances: 90% of his donations were from people who gave less than $100. :eek: Wow. So cool.

nittanyalum 03-07-2008 03:16 PM
Ron Paul is finally planning to take a powder from the presidential race, though he promises his "revolution" will go on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno

KAPital PHINUst 03-07-2008 04:17 PM
RON PAUL IS NOT DROPPING OUT
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1614316)
Ron Paul is finally planning to take a powder from the presidential race, though he promises his "revolution" will go on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_vVaZxTno
^^^REFUTED

Grounds: Speculation; no basis in fact.

nittanyalum 03-07-2008 04:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1614372)
^^^REFUTED

Grounds: Speculation; no basis in fact.
EXCELLENT rebuttal. You're refuting with what information, exactly? The man said in his video that "victory is not available" and "the campaign is winding down." But you feel free to keep the charge going forward, Don Quixote.

jon1856 03-07-2008 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1614372)
^^^REFUTED

Grounds: Speculation; no basis in fact.
Spokesman: Ron Paul will end presidential run

CNN) -- A spokesman for Ron Paul's presidential campaign said Friday that the Texas congressman is ending his run for the White House.
"We are acknowledging that Ron will not be the nominee and that we are winding down the campaign," said Jesse Benton, the Paul campaign's communication manager.
Paul hinted the end was near in a video to supporters posted on YouTube on Thursday....
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...aul/index.html

nittanyalum 03-07-2008 04:35 PM
Thank you, Jon!

KAPital PHINUst 03-07-2008 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1856 (Post 1614378)
Spokesman: Ron Paul will end presidential run

CNN) -- A spokesman for Ron Paul's presidential campaign said Friday that the Texas congressman is ending his run for the White House.
"We are acknowledging that Ron will not be the nominee and that we are winding down the campaign," said Jesse Benton, the Paul campaign's communication manager.
Paul hinted the end was near in a video to supporters posted on YouTube on Thursday....
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...aul/index.html
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...&postcount=254

'Nuff said.

texas*princess 03-07-2008 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1614411)
WHy are you still posting in this thread?

Seriously.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...aul/index.html

KAPital PHINUst 03-07-2008 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1614423)
WHy are you still posting in this thread?

Seriously.
Uhhhh (at least up until now), I pretty much was done with the subject. Nittany and company was saying that Paul dropped out, I disagreed pending absolute clarification from the campaign and/or Ron Paul himself due to a heavy use of ambiguous language and the tendency for the MSM to spin stories for their own personal benefit.

Bottom line, we more or less have left this as a (temporary) mutual disagreement.

UPDATE: I have just received an update from Ron Paul himself being interviewed by Fox News that will settle this matter once and for all. I'm waiting on a Youtube clip to upload, and then I'll post it here once it becomes available.

STAY TUNED!!

jon1856 03-07-2008 07:46 PM
Seems as if what my friend in the Clinton camp said about John maybe very true; Not a very nice man:
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03...nobama-ticket/

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...News&266&&&new

Drolefille 03-08-2008 12:32 PM
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

jon1856 03-08-2008 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1614765)
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
True, and something else he said on that tape could come back and bit him.
"Private VS. Public conversations".

KAPital PHINUst 03-08-2008 02:25 PM
Granted, this isn't a YouTube vid or anything from the official campaign website, but until something more definitive comes in, this'll have to do for now:

http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/793/story/207457.html

More to follow as it becomes available.

texas*princess 03-08-2008 02:29 PM
to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway. He has like 19 votes.

It's mathematically impossible for him to be the Republican candidate. And W. already gave his seal of approval for McCain anyway.

Just sayin'.

KAPital PHINUst 03-08-2008 02:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1614809)
to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway.
If that was the case, then why is the MSM and the GOP fighting tooth and nail to keep him from getting the nomination? And yes, they have been fighting HARD.


DSTCHAOS 03-08-2008 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1614765)
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
*snap* And it does not run through my courtoom!

~Judge David Young "Justice, with a snap."

SWTXBelle 03-08-2008 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by texas*princess (Post 1614809)
to be really honest, i don't think anyone really cares about that Paul guy anyway. He has like 19 votes.

It's mathematically impossible for him to be the Republican candidate. And W. already gave his seal of approval for McCain anyway.

Just sayin'.

Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!

Not that I wish anyone ill, but should Jesus decide to take McCain to His bosom - I'd be okay with that!

Drolefille 03-08-2008 04:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1614813)
*snap* And it does not run through my courtoom!

~Judge David Young "Justice, with a snap."
Lol.


Let us start frome here: if the GOP really is "trying" to marginalize Ron Paul it's because he doesn't fit with the party's beliefs. If he doesn't fit in with the party's platform, than it is unlikely the party will support him. It is even more unlikely that the GOP, however disappointed the religious conservatives are with McCain, will choose Ron Paul at the Convention when he does not fulfill any of the areas for which McCain is roundly criticized. Ron Paul is opposed to an amendment against abortion, he is opposed to defining marriage constitutionally, he wants to repeal the Bush Tax Cuts, etc. He brings other things to the table but he is not the "Anti-McCain." The only people with incentive to "revolt" at the election are likely to choose Huckabee over any other current candidate.

SWTXBelle 03-08-2008 05:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1614838)
Lol.


The only people with incentive to "revolt" at the election are likely to choose Huckabee over any other current candidate.
By election, do you mean electing the nominee at the Republican Convention? Cause I got to tell you - I hate Huckabee almost as much as McCain.
I'm just tired of picking the least objectionable candidate. Even though I disagree with some of Paul's platform, I believe in his integrity in a way I don't believe in anyone else's. I do NOT know what I am going to do if it is McCain vs. Clinton/Obama. Shudder.

KAPital PHINUst 03-08-2008 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1614818)
Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!
My feelings exactly! Thank you for speaking up and speaking out for Ron Paul!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1614861)
By election, do you mean electing the nominee at the Republican Convention? Cause I got to tell you - I hate Huckabee almost as much as McCain.
I'm just tired of picking the least objectionable candidate. Even though I disagree with some of Paul's platform, I believe in his integrity in a way I don't believe in anyone else's. I do NOT know what I am going to do if it is McCain vs. Clinton/Obama. Shudder.
Cosign to the Nth degree, especially on voting for the least objectionable candidate. I am sick and tired of voting for a candidate because the MSM thinks I should because of how "popular" they are, irrespective of whether they are serious on the issues, especially ones that I find to be important.

I would much sooner vote for a candidate who while they aren't as popular, I agree with say, 80% of their stance on the issues rather than voting for candidates that I agree with no more than 25-30% of their stances on the issues. If that means I'm a right-wing kook for doing so, so be it.

This clip from a popular 70s sitcom, where they're talking about the '68 presidential election; this could've been set in 2008 and would still be dead on accurate as far as candidates and issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FqVRxiE8NA

KSig RC 03-08-2008 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1614812)
If that was the case, then why is the MSM and the GOP fighting tooth and nail to keep him from getting the nomination? And yes, they have been fighting HARD.
REFUTED

Grounds: Speculation, Begging the question, assumes facts not in evidence, lack of personal or professional knowledge, and unfounded appeal to authority.

KAPital PHINUst 03-08-2008 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1614887)
REFUTED

Grounds: Speculation, Begging the question, assumes facts not in evidence, lack of personal or professional knowledge, and unfounded appeal to authority.
*LOL*

SHEEEEEYYOUUUUTTTTT!!! (read: shoot).

You wish.

UGAalum94 03-08-2008 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1614838)
Lol.

Let us start frome here: if the GOP really is "trying" to marginalize Ron Paul it's because he doesn't fit with the party's beliefs. If he doesn't fit in with the party's platform, than it is unlikely the party will support him. It is even more unlikely that the GOP, however disappointed the religious conservatives are with McCain, will choose Ron Paul at the Convention when he does not fulfill any of the areas for which McCain is roundly criticized. Ron Paul is opposed to an amendment against abortion, he is opposed to defining marriage constitutionally, he wants to repeal the Bush Tax Cuts, etc. He brings other things to the table but he is not the "Anti-McCain." The only people with incentive to "revolt" at the election are likely to choose Huckabee over any other current candidate.
I agree with what you've said about Ron Paul; I just want to note that it's not just religions conservatives who aren't super-excited about McCain.

texas*princess 03-08-2008 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1614818)
Speaking as one of the 19 votes he has, I care. I care because I think McCain is evvvvvvvillllllllll. OH - and W. giving the seal of approval? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what could!
I agree -- if I were McCain, I wouldn't want W. touching me with a 10-ft pole b/c the guy has the lowest approval ratings ever... but I'm sure they did it for the "good of the party" or whatever.

Paul is crazier than McCain... I think I'd take McCain over Paul if I had the choice... lol

SWTXBelle 03-08-2008 07:51 PM
If Bush and McCain are sane . . . I'll take the crazy man anyday. :D

texas*princess 03-08-2008 08:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1614917)
If Bush and McCain are sane . . . I'll take the crazy man anyday. :D
lol

Well, Huckabee & Romney look like they're out (at least according to CNN)... I highly doubt the Republican party is going to give the nomination to the guy who has 21 delegates (sorry I said 19 earlier, it looks like I was off by 2) vs. the guy who has 1289.

There would be all kinds of pissed off Republicans in this country if that happened!!! lol

SWTXBelle 03-08-2008 09:07 PM
And there's going to be all kinds of pissed off Conservatives (and Republicans, too :rolleyes:) if they don't!

I just want it to be over.


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