Good. See you later. :)

when you say "we", do you mean "we", as "hispanic organizations who adopt NPHC traditions?"

Perhaps from the outside looking in...it seems that LGLOs & MCGLOs copy a lot from NPHC orgs; and maybe some do more than others (I can only speak for my own org so...). However by the definition of what we are (Greek Lettered Secrets Societies), we all will have similarities. In fact my sorority has characteristics in common with NPHC groups, NPC groups, honorary and even community-based sororities. Our founders were not "rejected" from NPHC groups...but seriously just wanted (so created) something different.

Again there is more than meets the eye. I went to a step-show this past spring which was hosted by an MCGLO - Alpha Omega Omega at West Virginia University. There were NPHC and LGLO orgs who participated and attended. At the after party/celebration, there was a lot of camaraderie and support. No I haven't been to so many schools...but I'm sure elsewhere, NPHC orgs show their love and support to MCGLOs and LGLOs...and it's not one big "hate fest" going on.

Also IFC groups I know for sure have line names (I have Lambda Chi Alphas, AEPis, and Sigma Chis as friends)...and get jerseys or shirts with those names on them. NPC groups have handsigns (although I think some are unofficial...but they still have them). My sorority also calls the steps in the recruitment process rush, bid, pledge, initiation, induction (along the lines of NPC) and we do not have a probate. On the individual chapter level our sisters can step...stroll...whatever. But our National Headquarters does not organize a "national" or even "regional" step team.

I understand it is pretty easy to generalize and put up comparisons; but we are new groups (most of us are less than 25 years old) and we pretty much deserve the opportunity to do our own thing without the NPC/IFC/NPHC being held up to us as measuring sticks.

We are NOT secret societies. If we were, we damn sure wouldn't be serving the community. Many organizations have secrets or confidential information but that does not make them secret societies. I didn't even read the rest of your post because you started off wrong.

There is absolutely no reason for that, you know what the heck she meant.

You'd be amazed at how many greeks really think this and it's obvious that she meant exactly what she said. We have enough people running around spreading falshehoods about greeks, we don't need greeks doing it also.

I'm sure I wouldn't be. You started off wrong -- not reading the rest.

I think she meant "societies with secrets" and not "secret societies."

She's probably smart enough to figure out that GC isn't a message board of "secret societies." That would be too...err...public for a "secret society."

Other than that, she's echoing what has been said in a few posts. :)

I'm sure you did read the rest and we are free to comment however we wish, I'm sure you know that.

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Oh are you serious? :D Ok then, I will correct myself and say "organizations with secrets" (although that sounds campy...but it's more accurate...if it matters so much). Delta Upsilon, founded in 1836 was the first "non-secret" fraternity and you may want to check out their website http://www.deltau.org/ to see just how they define that. I mean, if they pride themselves on being the "first" of something (and they predate my org by 150 years...) I will gladly accept their definition of what a "secret society" is. I do not think it's the definition you are putting out there (like Skull & Bones or something that is "underground"...I dunno). But it's not that serious...I can rescind the remark. :rolleyes:

This varies WIDELY from school to school and chapter to chapter.

There might be official handsigns in some of the NPC groups, but how they are used currently may not be in line with why they were created.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but NPHC handsigns are for public usage, while most (many?) NPC recognition signs are only for private use between members. The more recent NPC "handsigns" aren't official, are they? I'm thinking of ADII diamonds, Tri Delt Deltas, etc.

You're not wrong, but I thought I'd add a bit.

The Alpha hand sign is for public usage but is unofficial. There is even debate to what it means, if anything, and if what it means came with the sign or if it was ascribed later. We have other things that happen in private that might be comparable to the NPC recognition signs.

I believe only one NPHC org has an official hand sign for use in public which has a private meaning.