You missed the point of her post. She was saying that blacks (or anyone for that matter) who condone the usage of insulting phrases like "white men can't jump" or "white men can't dance" are also foolishly condoning stereotypes that infer the reverse. Ultimately the use of any of these phrases is just a display of ignorance all around.

Everyone can find something to be insulted over. It can be sexual, as bible thumpers only want their kids to listen to music from Christian artists, it can be over violence, or it can be race.

I'm sure in one way or another people can consider you ignorant as well.

Most of us laugh along with Dave Chapelle when he makes jokes about race. How this is different? How is it different from calling Wayne Brady really white or having Negrodamus giving people advice?

If these comedians are all ignorant, then why aren't there massive protests against them from the black community?

Here is a sampling of Negrodamus' jokes (played by Paul Mooney):

Q: Negrodamus, will Arnold Schwarzenegger ever divorce his wife?

N: Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger will divorce his wife and marry Shirley Temple Black, and she will be called Shirley Temple Black-Negger.

Q: Negrodamus, will Arsenio Hall ever have a show again?

N: Yes. Arsenio Hall will have a new show called "Good Morning, Black America". It will be played at noon throughout the country.

Q: Why do white people like Wayne Brady so much?

N: White people love Wayne Brady because he makes Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X.

-Rudey

The remainder of this thread will be about nitpicking and highlighting every single hypocrisy and doublestandard that can possibly be found, instead of seeing the general point and applying it to the specific.

Hey guess what people? A black person had something to do with it.

"A group of black students met Thursday with sorority members, who said the award was meant as a joke and was the idea of just a few students, including the black date of the recipient.

He said his date received the award because she was motherly and nurturing"

So aside from the fact that it wasn't meant to be offensive, aside from the fact that most people laugh at jokes by guys like Dave Chapelle that are about how white someone is, this joke was created in part by a black guy.

-Rudey
--Who knew jokes could be this funny?

The participation of one black person doesn't change anything. It means the black participant is an eager-to-please, socially unconscious idiot. The people who allowed the award to be presented are insensitive fools who let their stupidity trump their organization's best interest, as well as their social obligation.

Mothering and nurturing = the most motherly and nuturing award

Since they are saving face, they could've said that she was one of the FEW black people who attends their events and they wanted to poke fun at themselves for not being able to garner the attention of the black student population. Only then could they have sold me a bridge for $5.

Then he's stupid, too. For more reasons than one.

Please read what Rudey posted again. The woman's DATE was black and a man. SHE is not one of the few black women they have attracted. I also don't think they are trying to "save face" or "poke fun" because they don't attract the black students. That's simply the way it is with Kent NPC and it's campus - as we ALL know it is at MOST campuses.

ALSO, it was the DATE who said the mothering and nurturing part, NOT the sisters involved. Please direct the annoyance with the phrase to the correct party.

How about most black comedians out there, and the millions of black fans that they have, that laugh along to racial jokes?

Obviously Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and the D9 and whomever else are not making the news with talk about punishing these comedians.

I wonder why.

Well perhaps given that these comedians make jokes, it's harmless - sorta like this situation with a joke prize that was partly thought up by a black student. It may be "stupid" to you, but stupidity is subjective I guess.

-Rudey

Would you care to elucidate your response to my quesitons on this issue? I think I made a cogent effort at inquiry, and got a pretty flippant response . . . I don't expect you to respond to douche bags like the poster you're responding to above, but I was genuinely curious, as I've never in my life heard that parsing before.

ETA: I understand Marie's point, that condoning stereotypes for whites has an implicit (even explicit) effect on stereotypes for other races as well, but I'm not speaking that generally.

And so should they - just because one person of a darker hue (and I will refrain from calling them black b/c a black person with any self awareness and self respect will not allow others to poke jokes, in jest, at the expense of his/her people) condone such ignorant behavior does NOT justify or make the joke" appropriate.

Moreover, re: black comics - I say this - black comics poking fun at things that happen in the black community when addressing a prodominantly black audience is synonymous with a red neck poking fun at rednecks, and you poking fun and cracking jokes WITHIN THE CONFINES OF FAMILY, at a relative. You don't see a problem - within the family- with the joke, but NO outsider is able to follow suit . . . same thing.

However, black comedians poking fun at whites is not akin to blacks poking fun at blacks.

Also, how do you feel about your usage of the word redneck? Some will call you ignorant for it and be insulted by it.

Your saying that guy isn't black because he made a joke may also be construed to be ignorant by some.

I mean this word ignorant is the word of the day, week, month, and year.

-Rudey

Please read what I posted again if this is what you got from my post. I said that I could've understood the "joke" BETTER if they were trying to poke fun at THEMSELVES.

The date is an idiot and they are idiots for allowing this nonmember to make their chapter look stupid. I'll direct my annoyance at any idiot who is an idiot. Thanks.

If black is now synonymous with most mothering and nurturing then this should've been the "Hattie McDaniel 'Gone With the Wind' Award." They approved of the award which means it made sense to them...idiots.

I'm still trying to buy a bridge if anyone has one.....

...and her dating being black is supposed to mean there's not a problem? Sorry, not buying it. I don't care if her best friend/neighbor/mother/whoever is black, nothing condones that behavior.

Not addressing the comic issue because its off-topic.

My response to you was "that's part of it" with assumption that you knew that meant "you're on the right track."

However, if that simple response seemed flippant to you then it's a good idea for you not to post to me anymore.

Just want to reiterate that the "they" in this instance is not the entire chapter of Chi Omega at Kent State. It was a couple people and was done without the knowledge of the rest of the chapter.