Hi, I am Tom.

I beleive in a Supreme Being no matter what He is supposed to be called and by whom!

This thread was on a specifc subject and has down graded to Who is Right and What Relegion!

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Thu, Jan. 20, 2005

Bob Jones U. President to Retire

Associated Press


GREENVILLE, S.C. - Bob Jones III said Thursday he will retire as president of the fundamentalist Christian university that bears his name and his son will take over.

Jones, whose grandfather founded Bob Jones University 78 years ago, has been president for 34 of his 65 years.

The school has grabbed headlines over the years for its involvement in conservative politics and its racial policies.

In February 2000, then presidential candidate George W. Bush spoke at Bob Jones University during his campaign. He was criticized for the visit because at the time, the school banned interracial dating.

The policy has since been dropped.

When Jones retires, following the school's graduation ceremonies in May, he will be replaced by the Rev. Stephen Jones, who has served as vice president for administration.

"The opportunity to step into the role occupied by my father, grandfather and great-grandfather is overwhelming," Stephen Jones, 35, said. "I am eager for the days that lie ahead for Bob Jones University and believe that the Lord has wonderful things in store for us as we remain faithful to his word."

In a congratulatory letter after Bush won re-election in November, Jones III wrote: "In your re-election, God has graciously granted America - though she doesn't deserve it - a reprieve from the agenda of paganism."

"You have been given a mandate. ... Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ," said the letter, dated Nov. 3.

Wow! Alota internet ink spilled on this one.

But for those with no experience with these things, you should
know that not ALL Christian schools, or even ALL Baptist
schools, are even close to BJU. (Of course, BJU would say
they really aren't Christian schools).

There are alot of "moderate" Baptist colleges out there, many
with fraternities: Baylor, Union (TN), Georgetown (KY),
Samford (AL), Wake Forest, amongst others. Shorter College,
a Baptist college in GA, recently decided to allow national
fraternities....and a few chapters have already been
chartered (Chi Phi for one).

Being an alum of, and a faculty member at, a Baptist college,
as well as large state-run universities, I can say I feel much
more academic freedom at a "moderate" Christian college
than at a state-run school.

At State-U, one would be fired
if not tarred and feathered if they even tried to mention
anything "religious" in a non-religion course. Academic
freedom means you can talk about ANYTHING YOU WANT....
EXCEPT RELIGION. At a moderate Christian school, you
can talk about ANYTHING YOU WANT....now that's freedom.

A good example, from Computer Science....Blaise Pascal,
a 16th century French mathematician, physicist, engineer,
and inventor. A computer language was named for him.
He's considered a "father of statistics". He made great
discoveries in the study of water pressure/hydraulic systems,
and "the Pascal" is an old measure of pressure (or some such).

Yet when teaching at State U, I have to finish the story there.
I can't talk about how he had a deep religious conversion,
dropped science and math, and became a theologian and
philosopher, and how he applied mathematical principles
to faith (look up "Pascal's Wager" or "Pascal's Bet"....in
addition to "Pascal's Triangle") Just an example.

Students at the above-mentioned colleges have "rules"
that may be only slightly more strict than State-U:
no alcohol on campus (though students have it anyway)
(but many State U's are adopting this now),
a religion course or 2 may be required for
all students (definitely not sunday school....sometimes
taught by "heretics" in clerical circles), and chapel attendance
might be required once a week or once a month.

So just to let you know, there is a VAST RANGE of
"campus atomosphere" and "rules" at private religious
colleges...and they are not all the "nightmare" some
would say BJU is.

my 2cc
Kevin
Lambda Chi Alpha
....oh, and also a Catholic who used to be Baptist
(you think they would burnt me at the stake for THAT!)

You obviously have never been to the art gallery itself. If you had, you would know that you are given a very detailed guide and posted beside each painting is the artist, date, and origin of the work. Why don't you check out their website... http://www.bjumg.org/, you might learn something.

You might want to check your Scripture... The Bible does not say that a woman must submit to a man, but that a WIFE should submit to her HUSBAND. The whole dress thing is more about modesty than anything.

same difference

btw, what GLO are you in?

I don't think so. No woman should have to submit to a man. The Bible only references marriage.

Not sure what a GLO is....

News flash. Wife = woman. Husband = man. At least where I come from.....

Lol, if you don't know what a GLO (greek-letter-organization) is then what are you doing on this site?

Not all women I know are wives- Not all men I know are husbands...

I am actually an '02 alum of BJU- just happened upon the site and found it interesting.

wow, I just got a flashback to Intro to Logic freshman year....

You said that "No woman should have to submit to a man."

All wives are women. All husbands are men.

Therefore no wives should have to submit to their husbands.

Excuse me cause I'm agnostic and don't know much about the bible... but if you believe the bible and you believe that man was made in the image and likeness of god then why do you need modesty?? Isn't the human body beautiful specifically because god made it in his image? So why should people feel that they have to cover it up? And why should women in particular be forced to cover up??

Also, why does the word "submit" always get interpreted to mean submissiveness?? From an outsider's point of view it seems that that term could be up for a lot of interpretation.

Personally, I think a lot of this is simply people's own interpretation of body image and sex roles, as well as a reflection of our society's continuing sexism.
As I look at the Bob Jones administrators, I see that most of them are men, and the few women mostly handle the female student population. I really wonder how much of this has to do with god and how much of it has to do with men attempting to continue the privileges and freedoms they have enjoyed while attempting to limit and control the lives of the female students.

You are correct in that all wives are women and all husbands are men. However, not all women are wives and not all men are husbands.

I should have clarified: "Single women aren't supposed to submit to single men".

Yep. And continuing to brainwash the men into think this is acceptable. Obviously it works, judging from JPAYNE's posts. All the lemmings... maybe they'll fall off the cliff eventually

JPAYNE, guess you've learned a lesson about making absolute statements. You'll get called out on them eventually.

Please, enlighten me on why wives should submit to husbands. Practically. Don't pull unsubstantiated bible verses out of your ass. Don't give me any quotes. Give me reasoning.

BECAUSE YOUR HUSBAND IS YOUR EARTHLY MASTER. Now bow down and make me a sandwich.

Step off, papist :p