Hey it could turn out to be kinda hot...like this: http://getspunkd.com/brad/hot_guys.jpg


though most likely it's gonna turn out looking like this: http://www.real-music.co.uk/bowtie-1.jpg

I'm SOOOO confused. Why would someone proclaiming the perfection of Southern fratty-wear cite John Kerry and Howard Dean as examples? I thought the TRUE Southern fratty-gentleman would NEVER associate with anything those liberals were involved with. :confused:

Of course the majority of textiles and clothing are now manufactured overseas despite where the raw material is grown. The textile mills are for the most part long gone from Lawrence due to cheap labor in the south and now y'all are getting a taste of this as your factories are shuttered due to low costs of the Pacific Rim.

Actually, the joke's on them. Here in Charleston, the only men you see wearing those ties are the 90-year-old kind who don't know whether they're coming or going.

Ummm BB is not all dotted, striped or solid. You have no idea what you're talking about. And Hermes is the king of micro designs jagoff.

Let me sum it up for you. Me: Kiton Ties, You: Jerry Garcia Ties.

And nobody said tight but you can't read because where you're from education consists of knowing which pickup your gay pleated "Slate" khakis would look best in.

-Rudey

-Rudey

They wear hand-me-down jerry garcia ties and regis philbin ties and wish they could be grownups that wore suits to work.

-Rudey

I live in Atlanta and work at a law firm that's considered to be one of the "fratty" ones. There's 2 people here who wear bow ties. Both are in their 70s.

I don't know what part of Charleston you are in.......but I have spent a considerable amount of time there in social settings with many people my age and my parents age all wering VV, Southern Proper, Seersucker and the like.......Charleston is the frattiest place on earth.......what are you talking about?

I said originally that VV and Southern Proper gained notoriety from senators, poiticians, etc. I was called out on it, so I provided examples. Your political affiliation has no bearing on a sense of style. So by your reasoning...if Howard Dean or John Kerry were found to like cheeseburgers and golf.......would that mean that all of us "TRUE Southern-fratty gentleman" would have to give up cheeseburgers and our memberships to country clubs? I am confused as well.

I actually CAN tie a bowtie... and those are UGLY. and actually most cotton comes from California now doesn't it ??

Actually Texas is the top cotton producing state. Thanks

I can't believe you didn't even touch on the Burberry!

http://www.fashionunited.co.uk/gfx/2.../burberry2.jpg

Let's throw some sanity into this conversation.

Plenty of females like bowties. I do. Bowties are cute but I think in certain situations, if they have particularly crazy patterns or colors, they can come to look inappropriate.

I like Vineyard Vines. Indeed, I bought a little VV tie with Robert E. Lees and George Washingtons on it for my ex-boyfriend as his graduation present from W&L. I really want to get myself the VV bag that has those designs on it plus the W&L Trident on it. But... I think that VV became ridiculously trendy and a lot of people jumped on it to be like "OMGZ I'm southern preppy!" Basically, it became silly.

I do like "southern preppy" clothing and I think in many situations it's appropriate and damn sexy. But as Rudey says, there are times when such clothing looks silly and immature. And if you're really a old money, classy gent, you ain't buying ANY brands. You're buying bespoke items and getting your clothing tailor-made. So let's end this argument.

Um, yeah, hi...Pink is so new money it's not even funny.

I'd rather be no riche than nouveau riche.

I think it's well established that macallan and co. are just making this all up, right? No real southern fraternity men who have this much to say on the subject of clothing.