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DrPhil 12-12-2014 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by honorgal (Post 2302200)
It IS perplexing, I agree. Why not just say "yes, that is the point I was trying to make"?
Because such simplicity is wasted on people like you.

DrPhil 12-12-2014 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by honorgal (Post 2302201)
Is that suppose to be the same case that we were discussing earlier, the one that I posted as a "thought experiment"?
Why did you edit your post where you asserted it is clearly not the same case as the one you posted? Are you now uncertain?

honorgal 12-12-2014 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2302204)
Why did you edit your post where you asserted it is clearly not the same case as the one you posted? Are you now uncertain?
I didn't. It's still there. I made another post. Because you didn't answer the first one.

Do you think it's the same case?

DrPhil 12-12-2014 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by honorgal (Post 2302205)
Do you think it's the same case?
Okay, I will give you that it is not the same case if, as the first news story reports, both the accuser and the accused graduated spring 2013. Got it. My apologies.

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This is not an update of the investigation (if one even exists) but here is an interesting article that may have already been discussed in one of these threads:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07...orge-wi/199937

Lisa Sendrow has actually been a very active voice with quite a bit of stuff on the Internet.

honorgal 12-12-2014 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2302208)
Okay, I will give you that it is not the same case if, as the first news story reports, both the accuser and the accused graduated spring 2013. Got it. My apologies.

Appreciate that. I have a link to the successful lawsuit that was filed by the Swarthmore student if you are interested.

honorgal 12-12-2014 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2302195)
Are you pretending to have struggled to grasp this? How unfortunate.


Swarthmore update:

http://articles.philly.com/2014-12-04/news/56689201_1_new-information-assault-honors-student

I am not opposed to his filing a lawsuit if he maintains he was wrongfully accused and wrongfully punished by the school. As I said many threads ago, schools sometimes expel students to save their reputations even if an official investigation would yield inconclusive or find false allegations. This sometimes even happens when the accuser recants. Unfortunately, many of the accused in the bolded instance are unable to sue the school. I know one man in particular to whom this applies.
When you say "bolded instance" are you referring to the link you provided or something else that I'm missing?

Low D Flat 12-13-2014 12:11 AM
My apologies. I confused it with another case. In the Sendrow Swarthmore case, both students graduated shortly after the complaint, and the victim is unaware what, if anything, happened to the alleged offender after that. So we don't know if there was any punishment.

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/ra...xual-assaults/

honorgal 12-13-2014 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Low D Flat (Post 2302217)
My apologies. I confused it with another case. In the Sendrow Swarthmore case, both students graduated shortly after the complaint, and the victim is unaware what, if anything, happened to the alleged offender after that. So we don't know if there was any punishment.

http://www.phillymag.com/articles/ra...xual-assaults/
No problem. It's hard to keep the details straight especially because a lot of them sound depressingly similar.

I would think in order for there to have been a punishment in the Sendrow case, there would first need to have been an investigation which would require her testimony/involvement. But who knows. Maybe they've bowed to the extremists wishes and all they need is an allegation and they skip straight to a finding of guilt.

DeltaBetaBaby 12-13-2014 03:01 PM
How we accidentally teach children that consent doesn't matter.

DrPhil 12-13-2014 03:22 PM
Thank you, DBB.

There are so many ways society accidentally and sometimes intentionally teaches children and adults that their bodies are not their own, that they have no control over life outcomes, and that they are obligated to show attention and affection.

DeltaBetaBaby 12-13-2014 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2302258)
Thank you, DBB.

There are so many ways society accidentally and sometimes intentionally teaches children and adults that their bodies are not their own, that they have no control over life outcomes, and that they are obligated to show attention and affection.
Yes, another one is minimizing any sort of roughhousing or contact among children...I think I read a similar article that talked about a girl whose pigtails were regularly pulled by a classmate, and the teacher laughed if off as "boys will be boys."

DrPhil 12-13-2014 07:23 PM
I agree in terms of nonconsensual and unreciprocated roughhousing and contact among children.

DeltaBetaBaby 12-13-2014 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2302272)
I agree in terms of nonconsensual and unreciprocated roughhousing and contact among children.
Oh, right, I meant minimizing complaints of roughhousing, i.e. when it's reported to an adult, the adult brushes it off.


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