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sigmadiva 11-13-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2249287)
I get the whole minstrel show thing and how incredibly offensive all of that was, but don't you think taking a position that ALL makeup to change skin color is problematic?

I mean, apart from the terrible writing and not being funny at all, there's nothing particularly offensive about this:

http://www.wnyc.org/i/200/200/c/80/p...090306_ss1.jpg

--is there?

You do realize that Tyler Perry is naturally Black?

His schtick is really no different than Vicky Lawrence who played "Mamma" on Mamma's Family.

SWTXBelle 11-13-2013 04:35 PM

Cultural appropriation - not just for Halloween!
 
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...opriation.html

Kevin 11-13-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2249288)
You do realize that Tyler Perry is naturally Black?

I was responding to someone who said any alteration by makeup to another natural color of the skin was offensive to her.

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His schtick is really no different than Vicky Lawrence who played "Mamma" on Mamma's Family.
Okay, so how 'bout this then:

http://content8.flixster.com/questio...818590_std.png
(Arsenio Hall)

DrPhil 11-13-2013 05:20 PM

WHERE'S THE SPOON...WHERE'S THE SPOON...EHHH?!

Coming to America has some of the classic scenes of comedic history. The ability of Murphy and Hall to play different characters throughout the movie was the whole point and they did a darn good job from "sexual chocolate", the bar dating scene, and barber shop scene. If they insisted on doing a "Jewish comedy" character in the barber shop scene, getting a Jewish comedian would have ruined the larger point just as getting a Black man to play Robert Downey, Jr.'s character in Tropic Thunder would have ruined the point.

With that said, the dynamics of racial and ethnic minorities playing white characters and playing other minorities (outside of their own minority group) is touchy and inappropriate if people are applying a "just don't do it...one size fits all" approach to this topic. People can feel however they feel about it as long as they know that the history and present day significance of this topic is substantially different for minorities as compared to whites who imitate racial and ethnic minorities. That includes whites in blackface and whites playing Asian and Native American characters.

Tyler Perry is not in blackface. He is a Black man playing a Black woman.

amIblue? 11-13-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2249296)
I was responding to someone who said any alteration by makeup to another natural color of the skin was offensive to her.



Okay, so how 'bout this then:

http://content8.flixster.com/questio...818590_std.png
(Arsenio Hall)

Thanks for checking in almost two years after my post, but I think you'll see that I said problematic rather than offensive, which are neither denotatively nor connotatively the same.

Now that I reread your response to me, I'm not sure what your point is. My comment was that using makeup to change your skin color is problematic. I made no conditions on that statement other than to throw out primary colors such as one might do to support a team or to be a Smurf. (in other words, colors that don't appear in nature on skin.) I didn't say that it only applied to certain people. There are problems with it. That's all I said.

DrPhil 11-13-2013 06:20 PM

LOL. AmIblue? was talking about makeup used to depict a different racial and ethnic identity than one's own racial and ethnic identiy. That would not apply to the Black men comics and actors throughout history who have worn makeup to depict Black women.

amIblue? 11-13-2013 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 2249303)
LOL. AmIblue? was talking about makeup used to depict a different racial and ethnic identity than one's own racial and ethnic identiy. That would not apply to the Black men comics and actors throughout history who have worn makeup to depict Black women.

Yeah, I'm cool with drag.

sigmadiva 11-13-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2249296)
I was responding to someone who said any alteration by makeup to another natural color of the skin was offensive to her.



Okay, so how 'bout this then:

http://content8.flixster.com/questio...818590_std.png
(Arsenio Hall)

You do realize there are Jews of African heritage.

Kevin 11-13-2013 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2249307)
You do realize there are Jews of African heritage.

We're all of African heritage if you want to go back far enough.

sigmadiva 11-13-2013 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2249314)
We're all of African heritage if you want to go back far enough.

I'm glad to see you (especially) admit this. ;)

DrPhil 11-13-2013 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 2249307)
You do realize there are Jews of African heritage.

In this context, ethnic Jews (which is what Arsenio Hall and "Jewish comedy" like Seinfeld are depicting) are predominantly not of the more immediate African diaspora. Ethnic Jews are predominantly of the white diaspora across the world. That is why "Jewish comedies" are not depicting Ethiopian Jews, for instance.

StealthMode 11-14-2013 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2249314)
We're all of African heritage if you want to go back far enough.

http://rlv.zcache.com/what_up_ma_bro..._8byvr_324.jpg

ETA: This is all I can really add to the thread because I may be one of the few Black people who doesn't particularly get my knickers in a twist when someone alters his/her skin color for a costume (if they are dressing as a specific person).


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